Selling pets -- your 2 cents
I am curious to strike up a debate that has been going on internally here ... should we ban in our free classifieds those ads regarding pets for sale? Several people have indicated that by indirectly facilitating this sort of business we are contributing to what is regarded as a poor state of animal welfare and encouraging breeders to regard animals as products for trade, not as living beings.
Any thoughts on this?
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scamp
Re: Selling pets -- your 2 cents
I was going to write "if you have a pet and have to go back home, what would you otherwise do with it"
but then i thought that if you aren't planning to live here for as long as the pet is likely to live, then you shouldn't responsibly get one in the first place.
Or, you should take it with you. I think most countries accept pets from abroad, subject to quarantine (and potentially long flights)
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Guest
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I'm no pet owner, but I think if foreigners have a pet, then they brought it with them. Therefore they will take it back home if they leave.
Buying a pet here I would consider as not very wise, except (again) you take it home.
So, I think no pet ads are better.
Watson
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Bumping this up because I've noticed A LOT of adverts by dog breeders in the Classified section.
Not trying to be self-righteous but there are SO MANY people looking for homes for abandoned or stray animals here.
PLEASE adopt if you can rather than give money to these people who OFTEN (notice I didn't say always...) treat these animals as product to be moved and to make a profit on.
ADOPT DON'T BUY
Herbz
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I agree, pet sales don't belong in classifieds, pets looking for homes (without charge) should be the only ones permitted.
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Watson
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According to Admin there is going to be a new website up pretty soon. I'm suggesting this as a new policy for the classified section
herojuana
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I agree.
The breeders like "dogo service" who always have these puppies for sale, ban the bastards.
Ever heard of "puppy mills"?
Keep the good people like Scarlett who are working to help find homes for animals who need adoptions.
Watson is right, if you want a pup or kitten, you should damn well adopt one in need.
Trust me, that animal will be grateful.
I rescued one of my dogs off the street, and he and I have a very close bond.
I don't know if he remembers what it's like to be drinking dirty water and eating garbage, but I remember him then when we first met, and I'm glad I went that route.
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ahimza
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Ban the puppy-sellers, keep the adopt-a-pet people! Think you should ban any sort of organized business through the classifieds and let them pay for an add instead. For example that ShangHai motorbike guy can pay for an add. Please leave the monkey & parrot folk tho, since anyone daft enough to send their details and money to Nigeria and wait at the airport for a baby spidermonkey is in serious need of just that lesson..
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I totally agree with Hero, Watson, etc...
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herojuana
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ahimza:
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You changed the avatar thank Satan.
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Anon
Re: Selling pets -- your 2 cents
Who wants to buy a spider? I have many.
Watson
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That spider pic is revolting...
Anyhoo........I noticed that the puppy mills are still very active advertising on the classifieds....Admin.... :evil: I thought that there was consensus on this issue......
Skipinbj
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Aren't pets ussualy sold to owners in all countries?
On the other hand, if I was faciliatating someone's business, I'd definately ask for a cut. Do you get a cut or "special privelages" from those "massage" services that post online, Admin?
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alithomson
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I totally agree with the comments on this issue. I feel really strongly about people buying pets then realising 3 months down the line how expensive/hardwork they are and advertising to get rid of them just like that. A new job/girlfriend/moving etc is no excuse! Buying a pet should not be enterered into lightly - perhaps it is about time a campaign is launched to educate the masses about these issues before they buy? Admin, thoughts on that? We could run a survey to find the average costs of looking after a dog for example and then publish it. May not totally reach the demographic but everything helps.
There is a regular guy selling different breeds of dog at Nurenjie all of which are too young to be away from their mothers and will probably die as a result. It makes me so angry. The puppy farms and Dogo service I am guessing are the same type of establishments and should be banned without question.
Watson
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Well, even though I agree with you 110% that people need to realize that a pet is a major responsibilty and just "going home" is not an excuse to leave it here (although there are some kind-hearted people out there who thought they were doing the right thing....bird lady
.....the most important thing is finding these animals good homes. So I don't want Admin to ban people lwho are ooking for homes for their pets from the classifieds.
What I don't like is alowing the PUPPY MILLS - who are selling animals as if they were bars of soap or clock radios - advertise on the classifieds.
There are many animals in need of ADOPTION
techsupport
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I say ban... and this should take effect immediately.
juststoppingby
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How nice to see some people cares about pets "here".
(no selling, adoption only) sounds like a good idea. but I think allowing adoption still opens a big hole for selling "here". tough problem, difficult to solve, takes 5,000 years.
Skipinbj
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I had 2 cats in BJ before I went back, when I went to see about taking them back with me, I found Australian customs doesn't let them in. Didn't really have a choice. I gave them away, to someone, who is really kind and we still keep in touch with. Certainly didn't sell them, we bought all kinds of stuff for the cats before we went, including 3 months or so of food and cat litter. It was out of necessity, definately not for profit or anything like that. We were thankful to find a kind person who would look after them well.
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aardvark_3
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I get so frustrated when I hear those excuses! People adopt/buy a pet with an unrealistic or romanticized idea of ownership (no matter what country they are in). The idea starts out great - oh, I will get a dog, take it for walks then all the hot chics will flock to my cute dog and I might get a phone number - then the b@stard sh!ts on your favorite pair of shoes and suddenly its no fun anymore. Guess you better get rid of it if you're gonna have to clean up after it. GRRRRRRR.
I adopted one of my cats via an ad, when I talked to the gal, she told me after she got him she found out she was allergic...I had a hard time believing that. People usually know if they are allergic to cats/dogs long before they adopt one. I have a feeling she wasn't too thrilled about potty training and litter box cleaning!
It breaks my heart whenever I see these guys.
aardvark_3
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I have heard NZ and the UK are really strict with their animal import laws as well. I would have such a hard time parting with my cat :cry: . I'm so glad you were able to find a good home for your furry friends.
I've been hearing there are a lot of folks looking for homes for their pets these days because they are leaving China due to Visa issues. I hope they are able to find good homes.
dillon
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adopting is the way- my dog came to me after 2 owners, the first trained him well but couldn't take him back to oz n via an ex girlfriend he came to me. he's potty trained, relatively obedient (unless theres a female 3 times his size to try n hump) n ok so he chews up my slippers- so what?!?!? 8kuai slipper, big whup. i think we would have way more issues if he'd been really young when i got him cuz i'm too lazy to train a dog n enjoy lie ins.
ban pet peddlers if it hasn't happened already, adopting is the way
xiaolan7212
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never like ads about selling animals!!
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Lilitu
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A girl actually told me that she abandoned her dog because it GREW UP and wasn't cute anymore!! I had to punch the table (gave her a good fright that) to keep myself from punching her and walked away. These vermins ought to be impaled and left to be stoned at tiananmen square!
Anyway back to the topic, definitely adopt and not buy so I say ban the ads trying to sell pets!
chinpokomaster05
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I have to disagree with the pro-adopters. I'm not against adopting animals but it's not for everyone. Do you guys also advocate adopting kids over having your own? I know they aren't the same exact thing but similar.
Unless the for sale ads are taking over the forum, no need to ban them. Or make a section specifically for "Pets for Sale."
spettro9
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agree totally....
i've heard some pretty morally disgusting things here regarding animals...
also seen someone from the local Wuye throw a brick at a neighborhood cat
(as usual, too traditional, too conservative)
...of course, on the other hand, there's a crew of ladies who takes care of those cats... i think even gets them spayed/neutered..
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dan2
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Yes...people selling puppies are the scum of the earth...
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秋雨思
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I feed street cats and have adopted some of them in recent years. They are very heathy, adorable sweeties. Why people tend to buy pets insteading of adopting?
Ban the ads please!
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vividFish
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Your kitty has a pair of shining eyes that look like diamonds.