carl cox was only 50kuai with an advance ticket...

but thats not the point, i dont really get it either, i pretend that i do though, so that people will think im cool like them.

being quite close to your 'advanced' age myself, i paid the 80RMB to see carl cox on friday night. it would cost at least 5 times as much to go to one of his gigs in australia, a reasonably 'civilised' country. he 'needs no introduction' because he's one of the most famous DJs in the world. if you haven't heard of him then it's because your interests lie elsewhere - fair enough.

whether DJs are real musicians has been debated at length in this forum. basically, it's a matter of opinion that isn't worth arguing about.

i've seen & heard better DJing in my time but i had a lot of fun and it was definitely worth the 'absurd' $Aus12 to go.

i can't quite believe you're 29 and talking about the 'young generation.' you're not even 30! be a part of it before you really get old!

lol littlewing you seemed genuinely concerned about me at Carl Cox on friday! Once i'd finally come to the decision that i wasn't hullucinating you, i actually thought it was quite sweet!

It was such a big night, mixing was a little sloppy in places, but that didn't matter as Cox has a different mixing style to sasha et al with their seamless blends, with cox it's more of a slamming, cut-across kind of style.

Finally went to sleep at 11 that morning, i was utterly mongled. The club was heaving, it was fully booked the day before, but we got one of our guanxi'd up friends to call her dad and he got us a table, we had to be their early so she got her driver to sit in the club from 9PM until we arrived lmao. Spoiled chinese brats are so cool!

One of the best nights of the year i reckon.

Get of your soap box you old fart & go and read the 'sasha...' thread.

I don't like country or punk music, but you don't find me filling the forum with bitchiness about hang-on-the-box or the other much touted gods of the local music scene.

I don't think it can possibly be anything to do with age - my bf has 6 years on you and we regularly go to hard house/psy-trance and techno all-nighters, let alone the weekenders and festivals.
I've also met several people in their 40s, 50s & even 60s on these events, who contribute positively to the atmosphere. (I'll never forget the 64 year old construction engineer i met smoking a (tobacco) pipe in Headcharge (a notorious techno club in northern England- now shut down) at 5am one morning.
we had a great conversation - he said i should bring my mum out next time :shock:

It f-ing is.

Disgusted is a pretty hateful adjective to throw around...

Jazzie B's rep is built on years and years of playing some of the best soul/funk/reggae parties going (Africa centre) etc, not on hype...... total respect for the man. "Back to life" is a club classic, Soul II Soul named the album right.

Personally, I agree with joedoufu...

But unfortunately you can't slag off DJs on this forum without having British wankers like dexter get their panties all in a bunch.

No offense, Alex. You aren't a wanker.

It's already done to death.

If you can't agree that running a bunch of electronic equipment is nothing compared to the talent required to play an actual musical instrument, then I can't be bothered to go any further.

It's nice you busted out the dictionary though, Dexter.

A synthesizer or sampler with pads or a keyboard is a musical instrument while being electronic equipment. Otherwise its a sequencer, like a DJ (different to a turntablist)
Keith Emerson a musician

very true, this is why i am shocked seeing all these people playing with CD players, they could just as well play a set from their mp3 players ... and they call themselves deejays

:shock: :shock: :shock:

even kool herc and bambaata had more skills in the mid seventies ...

i recommend to go and see rjd2 whenever u have a chance ... he's even worth a plane ticket! doing his set with 4 turntables and an extra mpc sampler he plays live on top ... it's an amazing show! he's like the herbert karajan of mixing and cutting ... pretty amazing show!

here#s a track for the non-believers

http://www.sendspace.com/file/vet6ti

greetings

f.

That brought Spryguy outta the woodwork.... Yo!!

There will be, the whole scene worldwide is finally beginning to switch away from dj's playing other people's music, to those that present or perform their own work. Its starting to show up in that ridiculous dj rankings chart as well.

BT (Texas)

Infected Mushroom (Tel Aviv)

London Electricity/Hospital records (London)

I know dudes! I mean, what's with those new-fangled electrified guitars they have these days?!!? College kids should be picking up flutes and harpsichords if they want to be musicians! :shock:

DJs often play other people's music, but sometimes their own too. And usually the whole point is to get people to dance, not to create something comparable to a symphony. You go to a club to dance and the dj creates the environment for that to happen.

Ok, so not all djs are good and not everyone who picks up a guitar is good, but both take a certain amount of practice and talent and both can be apreciated when done right I think. I certainly don't go out to dance to classic rock cover bands though. I think you are comparing apples and oranges here, or worse... Yes, we are all talking about music, but music in different forms. Plus, what do you think djs are going to play if musicians disappear? How do you think most musicians got their start? DJs played their music. Who plays music on the radio? A DJ. Where do you think the name came from! Disc Jockey!

So, though things have changed and now there is a lot more to being a dj then playing song after song on the radio, the basic principle is still that. Some DJs do more than others, that is very true. Many create live remixes on the spot and scratch to create new beats over existing ones. Some djs can play on turntables like the are instruments, many can't. Some djs actually aren't trying to make people dance, but are trying to create new music from old music. If you really get into it, there are just as many different types of djs just as there are many different types of musicians.

It would be next to impossible for most dance music producers to find a band to play what they have produced live and even more impossible to find the money to tour with. Face it, it is expensive to be a band. The reason so many djs tour is because it is actually comparatively affordable. Even though some get over $30,000 USD a gig, we are talking 1-3 plane flights at the most, where as bands like the Rolling Stones require a huge crew that probably exceeds 20 people. Even live electronic acts tour with sometimes 10 people, so you can see why DJs would be so popular. Not only do you have to pay them, but you have to feed and put them up in a hotel and fly them around. It adds up.

And no one has mentioned electronic musicians. Is that not music either?

Anyway, it's sad to see people fight about this kind of crap cause everyone likes different music. Fighting over whether techno, baroque, punk or country is better is just plain stupid. Totally subjective.

Oh and someone mentioned Myagi. He's actually a really good Canadian DJ/Producer. I quite like him, even though he's not completely world famous

i heard that deejaying goes back to 20000 BC .... saw it on TV in a documentary called flintstones or so ...

I think that people are mostly just venting thier frustration that they have been somehow left behind when it comes to new (or not so new) things.
It could be difficult for them to break the boundaries of their mind set which was locked back in the old days.
Or I could be wrong?