Most companies offer "anti-fear" stages. They show you what is going on during a flight, and explain to you all the safeties taken.
I heard it work in almost 80% of cases
well, i think when people don't know what's going on,then they can be fearless. when they really surely know what is out there, then they know what they are fear for.
aviophobia can not be solved by the way you said.
Virtue and Justice kill the evils :)
Happy Happy like bird flying in the sky!
yeah.... I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my father....
...not screaming in terror like his passengers
That was both funny AND appropriate.
Good one, nice to have both for a change.
lulukeke - Are you serious about watching flight crash movies? I'm NOT normally afraid of flying but I wouldn't watch those if I knew I'd be flying soon! Turn them off! Put the DVD's under the couch cushion!
I'm sure you've tried distraction things, like reading or music or some word puzzle games or something...? Here's one thing that made a fearful person feel better (ironically) - she was sitting next to me on a flight to china - she told me she was terribly afraid of flying, and she sure as heck talked a lot at first.. I was worried I'd be in for a hell flight. She was writing things in her notebook, like the EXACT time it was, where the plane was, what it was doing. Once we took off she wrote the times and altitudes... I'm not suggesting you do that - but the weird part was, she looked at her watch at one point and told me we are now safer, as almost all accidents happen within 1.5 minutes of takeoff or landing (or something like that, maybe my number is wrong). She was very quickly relieved, and most of the flight was fine for her. She had an aisle seat and walked around a lot too.
So maybe looking into some statistics could actually help, or at least confine your fear to just a few minutes of hell, then relax the rest of the time. But don't watch those movies, please!
Deep breathing... meditation.... singing 99 Bottles of Beer on the wall as you imagine the wall of your favorite bar....
Good luck.
Main Chinese site for donating blood in Beijing: http://www.bjblood.com/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Hope you had moments of giggle."{~Timcat}
It is so bad sometimes that I white knuckle-it for 8 hours straight.
Other times, - if there is no turbulence, i can be alright.
The best for me, is if i do manage to strike up a conversation with the
person next to me, and the flight is so smooth, that I can
now and again forget about it.
I do miss the the good service they used to have in flight. That for me,
was something small I looked forward to.
I used to do a lot of flying for work. And I mean a lot of flying - I once wracked up 100,000 miles in 8 months. You know what, fear of flying gets worse the more you do it. Sorry... that's not particularly helpful so here's a statistic that I always tried to bear in mind as I sweated my way through another 12 hour flight - in an average year more people die in donkey-related accidents than in 'plane crashes.
Another tip: On flights that have the option, I always listen to the cockpit crew through the headphones. I find that strangely soothing, guys are sooooo mellow. You might be bumping around in your seat, luggage falling out of the overhead compartments, struggling to keep your lunch down - but if you put on the headphones and tune into the cockpit the odds are that the captain and co-pilot will still be the mellowest people on the planet. Its like they have a secret stash of dope up there.
Also, watch the stewardesses [or flight staff], they're trained for it, but unless they're strapping on parachutes everything's still fine.
Just realize that you worrying or not is not going to improve your odds of survival one little tiny bit.
There's nothing you can do. You just have to do it and let go. Hop on the plane, admit you are powerless, and trust the pilot and mechanics to get you where you want to go safely.
Fear of flying is a good way to detect people with 'control' issues.
f*** the law we don't get caught we just do-da-da ... Because if you think that you gonna slip through California without getting banged on.. brother you're wrong
Seriously, if you want to overcome a fear, you must do it no matter how scared you are of it.
It's a troublesome world.
All the people who're in it
are troubled with troubles
almost every minute.
You ought to be thankful
a whole heaping lot
for the people and places
your lucky your not.
I am aviophobia(?). I refuse to take any flight except business trip.
People used to say , the more you take it, the better you will adjust it, well, it doesnt work on me.
But I dont have one solution(tried once, but failed), people suggest I get myself drunk. Then you can just sleep during the 2-3 hours journey( or if you go abroad , then that is another story, I dont even imagine it !).
Another way is ..at odds. If you could meet a interesting person sitting beside you , then you can just have a good talk and forget your fear.
And I dont want to make you more panic, basically for domestic air company, I like the eastern , I only took one which is NOT from eastern, it brought me very bad experience..
Sigh, maybe this is like some inbred characteristic, you can just not overcome it... :roll:
She is cute.
She is a celebrity.
She make me laugh.
Work hard and try to get into the astronaut program.
I see this as the only viable solution to your problem. After a couple gigs on the international space station, and subsequent white-knuckle fiery reentries back into the Earth's atmosphere, you won't think twice about hopping on a Boeing 757.
Galaxies don't move Sciency. They're in a fixed position.
I would offer to help anyone with fear of flying and other phobias, but tomorrow I am (flying) off for 2 weeks, so I cannot do anything until I get back. Seriously though..... I really can help, but only if you want to get it sorted out.
You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.
The choice is yours.
To quote H.L. Mencken...
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
driving or riding in a car in Beijing is much more dangerous than flying.
Undoubtedly true but if you bash into an Audi on a crowded junction in the Jing, chances are you'll survive with a few scratches and a verbal roasting from an enraged local that will leave you in no doubt as to the meaning of 'sha bi lao wai.'
Whereas if you're in a plane you know that once it's going down 999 times out of a thousand you're destined to form part of a flaming fireball within a couple of agonising, horror-striken minutes.
I was fine with flying until watching the movie Final Destination which is a distinctly average teenage-horror movie but the air crash scene is genuinly scary, the way the unfortunate victims faces burn off just before a couple of blonde lovelies get sucked out of the windows by the air pressure is a nice touch too, just in case you were in any doubt that dying in a plane crash, whilst not quite at the burnt at a stake levels, still ranks pretty high as a crappy, terrifing way to leave this world.
Anyway on the bright side at least it's the 21st century with advanced aviation technology to match, my dad always claims to be grateful for surviving flying around South America in the 60's, on one particulary turbulent journey he recalled turning to the air hostesses for reassurance only to see them silently praying in the plane's corner!
im just extremely neverous about the returning flight, and kept conciously sense as if there something bad would happen, and meanwhile, my work is extremely stressful the recent months....and yesterday im informed that we can have some quarter bonus after May holiday....and I told my colleagues that " im not sure if i can be back to get them ....and i need to get my work done before im leaving "....just feel somehow pretty sad about i still need to do those work on my desk when i don't know if i can get back to this desk after my trip :roll: ....feel as if i can't take ithe never any more, and the nevers all collected to one point...........so last night, i changed my flight company as soon as i got back home...another airplane, another date.....feel much better now. 8-)
btw, i did have car accident before....but im all fine, didn't hurt at all....so here is the difference between a car accident and a flight accident....the latter one, you just can not look back any more.
Virtue and Justice kill the evils :)
Happy Happy like bird flying in the sky!
1) print out your dining choices thread and bring them with you on the plane
2) read them slowly during takeoff, landing, or amid air turbulence
3) close your eyes and genuinely picture the food in your head... the smell... the taste... and the texture inside your mouth... preoccupy and flood your mind with all the sensory information...
remember, nobody can block out the the rattling overhead compartments nor the loud combustion of the engines during takeoff... but you can definitely screen out horrific images of September 11th that have been ingrained in all of us... these subconscious thoughts are the root causes of panic attacks during flight...
4) if you're bothered by the passenger beside you, pretend your favorite idol/person is dining with you, sitting beside you, window or aisle... but you can't look at him/her... if you do, your idol would disappear from your magical meal on the flying carpet... of course you wouldn't want that to happen since you're planning on getting him drunk and taking him back home afterwards
I have to travel quite a bit for work. I was fear before. But if you think of it, the most dangerous part of flying are take off and landing. Once you on the air, you are safe as anything. Take off and landing only consume about 15 minutes of your total trip. So if you have to be scare, make sure you only worry during take off and landing.
Hope that help.
I also think most people not afraid of die but more of being afraid that if they die, who will be there to take their family. So get a good life insurance and you feel much more relief when you have to fly.
That said, if you have to go, you have to go. If my boss would told me that I have to be in Beijing tomorrow, I will be on a plane tomorrow. Now, I would try to avoid Russian Airline or some airlines from the very under-develop countries. Their records are not that impressed. Then, I fly Vietnam Airline before and will be flying on their plane next few weeks.
also think most people not afraid of die but more of being afraid that if they die, who will be there to take their family.
Eh, come again? That's an admirable not to mention selfless stance take but if a 747 is heading ino the Mongolian mountains with me destined to be part of the barbecued remains, I'm not going to be thinking, 'Whose going to pay for my Normandy-grey headstone and feed my goldfish" but more likely on self-centred reminisinces such as "I'll never see how many forumites Herojuana put in hospital or witness any more homoerotic flirting between Keithy and Tobal." Yes I am shallow.
MaoWai
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
Most companies offer "anti-fear" stages. They show you what is going on during a flight, and explain to you all the safeties taken.
I heard it work in almost 80% of cases
lulukeka
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
well, i think when people don't know what's going on,then they can be fearless. when they really surely know what is out there, then they know what they are fear for.
aviophobia can not be solved by the way you said.
Virtue and Justice kill the evils :)
Happy Happy like bird flying in the sky!
aier
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
have a look into some NLP methods..... works for alot of people.
I can mail you some books on the subject, I've got rakes of them.
I actually tried a version of timeline therapy on a guy who had a fear of flying a few months ago...... havent heard from him since.
I'd try it on you..... but then I'd have to meet you and internet people are scary
sorry
plus I'm too lazy to leave my room.
Sciency
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
*irresponsible posting deleted*
Galaxies don't move Sciency. They're in a fixed position.
aier
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
you guys mean you need MACHINES to fly!!!!!???
pffffff....mortals.
lulukeka
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
Virtue and Justice kill the evils :)
Happy Happy like bird flying in the sky!
aier
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
yeah.... I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my father....
...not screaming in terror like his passengers
Sciency
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
Taking a lot of drugs before you get on the plane might help.
Galaxies don't move Sciency. They're in a fixed position.
freakyqi
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
That was both funny AND appropriate.
Good one, nice to have both for a change.
lulukeke - Are you serious about watching flight crash movies? I'm NOT normally afraid of flying but I wouldn't watch those if I knew I'd be flying soon! Turn them off! Put the DVD's under the couch cushion!
I'm sure you've tried distraction things, like reading or music or some word puzzle games or something...? Here's one thing that made a fearful person feel better (ironically) - she was sitting next to me on a flight to china - she told me she was terribly afraid of flying, and she sure as heck talked a lot at first.. I was worried I'd be in for a hell flight. She was writing things in her notebook, like the EXACT time it was, where the plane was, what it was doing. Once we took off she wrote the times and altitudes... I'm not suggesting you do that - but the weird part was, she looked at her watch at one point and told me we are now safer, as almost all accidents happen within 1.5 minutes of takeoff or landing (or something like that, maybe my number is wrong). She was very quickly relieved, and most of the flight was fine for her. She had an aisle seat and walked around a lot too.
So maybe looking into some statistics could actually help, or at least confine your fear to just a few minutes of hell, then relax the rest of the time. But don't watch those movies, please!
Deep breathing... meditation.... singing 99 Bottles of Beer on the wall as you imagine the wall of your favorite bar....
Good luck.
Main Chinese site for donating blood in Beijing:
http://www.bjblood.com/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Hope you had moments of giggle."{~Timcat}
Milo
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
Xanax
Ruff!
__AlKiE__
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
Come over to my house and jump off my terrace
That's The Devil, They Always Wanna Dance :mrgreen:
wochinidedofu wrote:
dorsini
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
It is so bad sometimes that I white knuckle-it for 8 hours straight.
Other times, - if there is no turbulence, i can be alright.
The best for me, is if i do manage to strike up a conversation with the
person next to me, and the flight is so smooth, that I can
now and again forget about it.
I do miss the the good service they used to have in flight. That for me,
was something small I looked forward to.
Buford
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
I used to do a lot of flying for work. And I mean a lot of flying - I once wracked up 100,000 miles in 8 months. You know what, fear of flying gets worse the more you do it. Sorry... that's not particularly helpful so here's a statistic that I always tried to bear in mind as I sweated my way through another 12 hour flight - in an average year more people die in donkey-related accidents than in 'plane crashes.
Another tip: On flights that have the option, I always listen to the cockpit crew through the headphones. I find that strangely soothing, guys are sooooo mellow. You might be bumping around in your seat, luggage falling out of the overhead compartments, struggling to keep your lunch down - but if you put on the headphones and tune into the cockpit the odds are that the captain and co-pilot will still be the mellowest people on the planet. Its like they have a secret stash of dope up there.
Also, watch the stewardesses [or flight staff], they're trained for it, but unless they're strapping on parachutes everything's still fine.
misterzeero
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
@ alkie :
cellphone camera + youtube
plx
thx
Quote:
Groucho Marx
__AlKiE__
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
After you make a better smoke video
kthanksbye
That's The Devil, They Always Wanna Dance :mrgreen:
wochinidedofu wrote:
CalGuy
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
Just fly.
Just realize that you worrying or not is not going to improve your odds of survival one little tiny bit.
There's nothing you can do. You just have to do it and let go. Hop on the plane, admit you are powerless, and trust the pilot and mechanics to get you where you want to go safely.
Fear of flying is a good way to detect people with 'control' issues.
f*** the law we don't get caught we just do-da-da ... Because if you think that you gonna slip through California without getting banged on.. brother you're wrong
MTgirl
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
This could be the answer to so many questions.
Seriously, if you want to overcome a fear, you must do it no matter how scared you are of it.
It's a troublesome world.
All the people who're in it
are troubled with troubles
almost every minute.
You ought to be thankful
a whole heaping lot
for the people and places
your lucky your not.
KeithZhao
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
I am aviophobia(?). I refuse to take any flight except business trip.
People used to say , the more you take it, the better you will adjust it, well, it doesnt work on me.
But I dont have one solution(tried once, but failed), people suggest I get myself drunk. Then you can just sleep during the 2-3 hours journey( or if you go abroad , then that is another story, I dont even imagine it !).
Another way is ..at odds. If you could meet a interesting person sitting beside you , then you can just have a good talk and forget your fear.
And I dont want to make you more panic, basically for domestic air company, I like the eastern , I only took one which is NOT from eastern, it brought me very bad experience..
Sigh, maybe this is like some inbred characteristic, you can just not overcome it... :roll:
She is cute.
She is a celebrity.
She make me laugh.
nietianlong
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
Join the Air Force and become an aircrew member.
Work hard and try to get into the astronaut program.
After that, you won't be afraid of flying, nor will you suffer from motion sickness again.
Living in the land of morning calm...
Sciency
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
I see this as the only viable solution to your problem. After a couple gigs on the international space station, and subsequent white-knuckle fiery reentries back into the Earth's atmosphere, you won't think twice about hopping on a Boeing 757.
Galaxies don't move Sciency. They're in a fixed position.
ocpaul20
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
I would offer to help anyone with fear of flying and other phobias, but tomorrow I am (flying) off for 2 weeks, so I cannot do anything until I get back. Seriously though..... I really can help, but only if you want to get it sorted out.
You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.
The choice is yours.
To quote H.L. Mencken...
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
New Year - New Hat.
mh
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
driving or riding in a car in Beijing is much more dangerous than flying.
badangel
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
Undoubtedly true but if you bash into an Audi on a crowded junction in the Jing, chances are you'll survive with a few scratches and a verbal roasting from an enraged local that will leave you in no doubt as to the meaning of 'sha bi lao wai.'
Whereas if you're in a plane you know that once it's going down 999 times out of a thousand you're destined to form part of a flaming fireball within a couple of agonising, horror-striken minutes.
I was fine with flying until watching the movie Final Destination which is a distinctly average teenage-horror movie but the air crash scene is genuinly scary, the way the unfortunate victims faces burn off just before a couple of blonde lovelies get sucked out of the windows by the air pressure is a nice touch too, just in case you were in any doubt that dying in a plane crash, whilst not quite at the burnt at a stake levels, still ranks pretty high as a crappy, terrifing way to leave this world.
Anyway on the bright side at least it's the 21st century with advanced aviation technology to match, my dad always claims to be grateful for surviving flying around South America in the 60's, on one particulary turbulent journey he recalled turning to the air hostesses for reassurance only to see them silently praying in the plane's corner!
Jiggles
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
Do a skydive.
Then afterwards a nice normal flight where you don't have to jump out of the plane will feel like a doddle!
lulukeka
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
im just extremely neverous about the returning flight, and kept conciously sense as if there something bad would happen, and meanwhile, my work is extremely stressful the recent months....and yesterday im informed that we can have some quarter bonus after May holiday....and I told my colleagues that " im not sure if i can be back to get them ....and i need to get my work done before im leaving
"....just feel somehow pretty sad about i still need to do those work on my desk when i don't know if i can get back to this desk after my trip :roll: ....feel as if i can't take ithe never any more, and the nevers all collected to one point...........so last night, i changed my flight company as soon as i got back home...another airplane, another date.....feel much better now. 8-)
btw, i did have car accident before....but im all fine, didn't hurt at all....so here is the difference between a car accident and a flight accident....the latter one, you just can not look back any more.
Virtue and Justice kill the evils :)
Happy Happy like bird flying in the sky!
kongjian
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
I am sorry, may I ask where you are going? How long is the flight?
You are blowing things up too much in your head.
You must really want to take this trip, or it is a really big obligation if you are putting yourself through this mental anguish.
LaoZhong
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
my honest suggestion:
1) print out your dining choices thread and bring them with you on the plane
2) read them slowly during takeoff, landing, or amid air turbulence
3) close your eyes and genuinely picture the food in your head... the smell... the taste... and the texture inside your mouth... preoccupy and flood your mind with all the sensory information...
remember, nobody can block out the the rattling overhead compartments nor the loud combustion of the engines during takeoff... but you can definitely screen out horrific images of September 11th that have been ingrained in all of us... these subconscious thoughts are the root causes of panic attacks during flight...
4) if you're bothered by the passenger beside you, pretend your favorite idol/person is dining with you, sitting beside you, window or aisle... but you can't look at him/her... if you do, your idol would disappear from your magical meal on the flying carpet... of course you wouldn't want that to happen since you're planning on getting him drunk and taking him back home afterwards
[/]
Click here for "happy happy long time"
kym3456c
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
I have to travel quite a bit for work. I was fear before. But if you think of it, the most dangerous part of flying are take off and landing. Once you on the air, you are safe as anything. Take off and landing only consume about 15 minutes of your total trip. So if you have to be scare, make sure you only worry during take off and landing.
Hope that help.
Show me your money
kym3456c
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
I also think most people not afraid of die but more of being afraid that if they die, who will be there to take their family. So get a good life insurance and you feel much more relief when you have to fly.
That said, if you have to go, you have to go. If my boss would told me that I have to be in Beijing tomorrow, I will be on a plane tomorrow. Now, I would try to avoid Russian Airline or some airlines from the very under-develop countries. Their records are not that impressed. Then, I fly Vietnam Airline before and will be flying on their plane next few weeks.
Show me your money
badangel
Re: how to overcome fear of flying
Eh, come again? That's an admirable not to mention selfless stance take but if a 747 is heading ino the Mongolian mountains with me destined to be part of the barbecued remains, I'm not going to be thinking, 'Whose going to pay for my Normandy-grey headstone and feed my goldfish" but more likely on self-centred reminisinces such as "I'll never see how many forumites Herojuana put in hospital or witness any more homoerotic flirting between Keithy and Tobal." Yes I am shallow.