Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
Guess what happened today? Yep my school was paid a visit by the Jing Cha. Of course, asking to see all of our passports and residents permits. Perhaps it is because we have come into direct competition with Hui Jia Kidsland, a very large franchised kindergarten, and are starting to syphon off some of their students.
At least he was polite. I went out to talk to him and told him that I had my paperwork at home and, if he liked, he was more than welcome to follow me to my community to see my residence permit.
Then the questions followed.
Q. What kind of visa do you have?
A. F, as I am a consultant for this school (yeah right).
Q. But you get a paycheck from this company?
A. Well yes, of course, I am a consultant. My visa expires August 10th, we are starting the Z visa process now (big mouth).
Q. You realize the difficulty in being able to distinquish between an employee and a consultant. You do realize that you will be subject to a fine? Your employer will also be subject to a fine.
A. That isn't my problem (man i got a big mouth. however, I had already discussed this with my boss as we knew this would happen once we came into competition with HuiJia. He agreed to pay the fines, if any, until he got me the Z)
Q. Yes it is your problem. You realize you can be fined 1000 Kuai? How long have you been here?
A. 5 years.
Q. Where do you live?
A. Blah Blah Blah.
Q. Well this is my area and I am coming through to visit. Consider this a warning. I will be coming by often and you need to get this taken care of.
A. Alright. Do you need me to go home and get my residence permit?
Q. No, I trust you. Just get it taken care of.
A. Thank you.
After that I went in to talk to my students and then I had this bright idea. How often would my guys have the opportunity to talk to a policeman in English?
So I went back out, drug him into my classroom, and made him talk to my guys. Haha.
Altogether a stern but reasonable man who spoke some damn fine English. Wasn't bad looking either.
Bottom line though...they are starting to shake the bushes. Been here 5 years and never had one single discussion with a cop.




shizo
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
What tha.. the whole conversation was in English? The policeman spoke English? Is this correct?!
Here i just try to explain that "i didn't do it" in broken Chinese and if it doesn't work... RUN!!!
It's better to be nice, kind, generous, friendly, helpful, sexy and rich than to be obnoxious, scary, stinky, stingy, lonely and poor.
kongjian
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
absolutely, spoke very high English in fact. I was amazed.
james0
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
how long had you been working under an F visa? can you get a Z while in China?
ancicamila
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
Quite a few cops were in front of the entrance to the compound where I live, just few days ago, stopping foreigners and asking to see their residence permits and stuff.
Also happened maybe a month ago.
They seem to have regular checks now.
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
kongjian
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
The cops coming to your place of work to verify you have the right type of visa is a bit different from them just checking to see if you have a residency permit.
ancicamila
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
Yes, I guess it is, but still something is going on in Beijing that has to do with foreigners living here, I lived in that compound for 3 years, and they only did it now, and in interval of maybe one month.
That was strange.
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
toby-BJ
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
I hope I can pass as a local so they won't have to bother me. I don't bring my passport. I'm too lazy. I don't even bring my wallet. All I have with me most of the time are my keys & bus/subway/access cards on one pocket & my mobile phone on the other pocket.
Oh, and 20 kuai for emergencies.
Thanks for the heads-up, Kongjian!
ancicamila
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
I never bring my passpost with me. And I don't have any intention to start doing so.
My passposrt is safely locked in a safe inside my house, that's it.
Every time I have to go to register with the police or extend my visa and I carry it with me, I'm in complete panic.
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
coco-nuts
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
Really? :shock: Wow, what English school are they going to? I'm serious. This is a first experience that I've ever seen a local cop speak English.
kongjian
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
Yeah Anci, I understand your point. Don't worry about physically carrying your passport and residency permit around... A photocopy of your picture and current visa page, along with a copy of your residency permit should keep you from being carted off to the hoosegow (sp?).
Don't want what happened to Allie to happen to you right.
And yes Coco, it was very sophisticated English. Dunno, but perhaps they have been preparing for this for a while.
Good luck all.
Drake
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
It's good advice.
I just got stopped in Fulicheng by a plain clothes officer. He checked my photocopied residence permit (which I keep with me) against his list of inhabitants and off he went.
Carry copies of your docs - saves being carted off.
Terton
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
F@ck that! What is this a Nazi police state? I'm not carrying any "papers" with me. What's next, we all have to wear a big "L" pinned to our clothes to signify laowai and a note from our mommies? :shock:
kongjian
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
Enjoy your trip to the police station.
The Gnus
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
No, but it is communist. I just got my work visa extended by 2 years. Previous to that I always got it extended by 3 years. I got told at the time they are going to get harder and harder on foreigners here who they consider are not "contributing". For instance, anyone over 60 will only get a tourist visa.
Anyone else heard similar?
Drake
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
C'mon, it's no hardship carrying a copy of your residence permit in your wallet is it? Better than having to go home (with them) to get it when you get stopped the other side of town.
If you haven't registered with the police then DO IT - they're really cracking down on foreigners at the moment as plenty other posters have found already.
gdbill
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
Sure. It is certainly not uncommon for people to have to carry ID at home or when having to carry your passport while visiting foreign countries.
Actually, it's not surprising that they are finally making attempts to enforce the rules given that a very significant percentage of foreigners living here are working illegally. What is strange is that they didn't start a lot sooner.
"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???
Guest
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
They start cracking down on people with F visa too.
One of my friend got her F visa application turned down, and another just got extended for two months.
I'm thinking maybe they are hard on us because we hold third world country paspports, but there's an american who's in jail for the past month due to visa problem.
They mean serious business.
Be careful, my german colleagues at work got a visit in their apartments from the police asking for their immigration papers.
gdbill
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
Which American? Got a link to a news story?
Yeah, some people from countries that China considers poor are probably getting screwed even more than anybody else. It's a shame.
"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???
coco-nuts
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
They interrupted my lunch today. Two of them came knocking on the door and whilst they didn't ask for my passport and registrations (they already knew I complied with a recent renewal) they did do a re-check on a lot of the data like checking my passport number, asking me to confirm my latest date coming into China from overseas and other normal stuff. Whats strange is that they also asked for my blood type, shoe size, and foreign emergency contact details. Never seen that before. All in all, though, it only took 15 minutes. Not too much hassle.
gdbill
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
You are joking, right????
Or were they policewomen who also wanted to know how big your ... er ... um ... feet is?
"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???
coco-nuts
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
No joke. When they said it, I perked up and said "hunh?" or something like that and they quickly pointed to the pre-printed grid on the sheet they were holding. Not that I could read the Chinese :!: , but still. I found it strange too, but lucky for them I had my health report nearby to prove the blood type.
gdbill
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
Wow! One can only wonder wtf they need shoe size for, but I guess they have their reasons illogical as they usually, inevitably are.
It's going to be strange having the PSB going around checking up on all foreigners. For over 12 years I have never been visited by the PSB or even stopped and asked for my passport by the PSB until last week when they were having a spot check at my colleague's complex.
There were about 4 cops and one of them asked for my passport. I told him, "I'm sorry, I don't have a passport" and he thought I meant I did not have it with me at the moment. Then he asked about my visa and I told him I didn't have any kind of visa, either, because they had all been cancelled. He called over a few of the other policemen and another asks me again where my visa and residence permit are so I tell him again, I don't have any because they were all cancelled a couple of years ago on me.
By now they are scratching their heads and wondering wtf is going on and one asks me what I use for ID. I gave him my permanent resident ID and then they call over the last cop and they all stand around looking at it and scratching their heads even more. Then they ask me wtf kind of ID card this is and how I got it. :roll:
I told them and pointed out that all the answers to their questions were on the card itself -- in Chinese even -- and they scratch their heads a little more and then shrug their shoulders and tell me to have a nice day.
Something tells me that if you show them some kind of fake passport you print up on your computer, like a lot of Africans are now doing in China, that the PSB wouldn't have a clue -- at least when conducting spot checks or home visits.
"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???
zealota
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
hahahaha.
Good one. What is this about the feet thing, stranger than fiction.
Thanks for posting your own experiences and keeping the thread going. It shows that mine is not an isolated incidence.
You are doing a public service by educating people about what its going on out there.
liveforfood
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
Interesting, aside from here, I haven't heard of any trouble. So I'm left wondering what "level" of compound we are talking about? Other than teachers and that ubiqitous "consultant" types, are they hassling anyone else?
Guest
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
LFF,
my friends are neither teachers or consultants.
She's a software engineer. The company is thinking of relocating her back to US now due to the visa problem.
Make sure your visa agents got the right connection.
My company is handling all of the expats' visa directly with the bureau now.
Shoplifter
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
Yah, it's really hard to get an understanding of everyone's experiences here as they are all different...I for one have not heard anything outside of here either. As well I am in well known foreigner areas and on the subway almost every day and other than the monthly purging of the Africans in Sanlitun I have not seen anything at all.
I've asked my Chinese friends about this and they just laugh and say the Police will never bother me as I am white bread white. This raises a lot of interesting questions about who is being targeted.
I would be curious as well as to what luxury level of compounds are being visited. Are they standing outside the Villas in Shunyi or Seasons Park in Gongti or Lee Gardens in Wangfujing? What are we talking about?
zealota
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
The community where I work is pretty darn upscale on the Northwest side of town.
They haven't visited my apartment yet which is a 7 min walk from work. It is by no means shabby.
babochina
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
in my former flat, the local cop was cute and spoke english
but tried to impress me by showing off his sollicitude
9 pm summer night : all the neighborhood is downstairs taking the fresh
i m there with my dog, smoking a ciggie
he rushes to me, asks me what i m doing there, obviously, i gave a proper environment for the bladder-relieving operation my dog needs twice a day
answer : u should go home ! it s late !
grrrrr
worse one : a couple of days after, it s 11am in the morning, i leave my flat with a friend, comes to me, asks where i m goin, doin stuff, and he has the nerve to ask if my male friend spent the night in my place :evil: :evil: :evil:
i was this close from assaulting a police officer ...
cute nut no way
eh oh ! could u tone down pls and not take ur expat impunity feeling for granted
between having evidence of ur legal status with you in a foreign country and being discriminated in the planification of an holocaust
there s a WIDE difference u should kep in mind
just by respect
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regarding the topic of the thread
they re goin to enforce, make mafan and after a while when they discover it does not help much and harms business, will come up with a new legislation more flexible to answer the needs of the foreigners working/living here
good luck to all
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zealota
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
heh babo
You must be reading my mind. I was going to post somthing about this earlier but just too darned lazy. :oops:
Question is how long will it take for them to realize it is bad for business?
And, in reality, is it unreasonable for the Chinese to require foreigners to abide by relatively realistic immigration (or is it emigration? as I am not planning to stay here forever) laws?
Frankly we have been exploiting the system for a long time. Evading taxes, working under an inappropriate visa.
Mind you, that wasn't my choice. I wanted to be legal, but my employers wouldn't deal with the process because they didn't want to pay taxes.
I am just happy my current boss (who is Canadian) appreciates the contribution I am making to the school and is now working to get me a Z, which is certainly deserved.
bacci
Re: Yeah, they are starting to tighten the noose.
Just got fined last week for not registering within 3 days at the PSB, still just over a month. The local assistant from work never had anyone fined and got pretty angry. Thanks to the thread, i'll be ready if they turn up at my door.