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How to get your visa exit stamp in Mongolia

Thanks for sharing this valuable information, autumn_sun!

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Just did the trip to Erlian to get the exit stamp, here's a quick braindump.

1) Getting there: there are daily sleeper buses. Several from a bus station that is on the south 3rd ring rd. There is also a bus from a station near north 3rd ring road and Deshengmen Wai avenue. That bus leaves daily around 4:30, and the owner can be reached for reservation 8783 0592. All buses cost 180yuan and take about 12 hours. Going there, the bus was late (because of some snow halfway), so we departed Beijing around 7:15 and arrived in Erlian at 6:15.
There are also trains as discussed.

2) On arrival. Erlian is a small and not very useful city, but it has ample facilities to make the wait for the return bus bearable. Taxis around town cost 5yuan, taxis to the border cost 10 yuan. There are several internet bars in the vicinity (with your back to the train station, turn left, then right at the first intersection, i saw at least 3 internet bars on that street). The Pacific hotel has what seems to be the only public Western-style toilet in town. There is a "dinosaur" museum which I didn't have time to check. There are two buses - route #1 goes to bus and train stations, and also almost to the border. Bus #2 goes to the dinosaur museum. For those who find themselves really attached to the place, hotels can be had for 50 per night (or cheaper for crappy ones). There is a market with the usual beads and such about 2 blocks away from the bus station. Nothing special there, except perhaps stuffed birds.

3) The border crossing. The guards at both Chinese and Mongolian side are quite adamant that you cannot cross on foot. There are jeeps that will take you to Mongolia and back for 40-50 yuan each way. Or if you are a cheap bastard like me, you can try to swing it for free. I hitched a ride through the first gate to the Chinese border (about 200 meters) then once i got my exit stamp, I tried to go right back through the other door. Unfortunately, someone with big stars on his epaulets had nothing to do so he checked my passport for mongolian stamp and sent me to Mongolia. I think this can be worth a try because on my second visit (with a stamp from Mongolia) the bored guy was not there, and the regular people in the booth didn't even look at anything except the visa. Moving on, hitch another ride (perhaps on a truck) through the second gate, walk about half-way to the Mongolian border. Lines here are bigger but people don't mind foreigners queuing Chinese-style (jumping to the front of everyone). At both borders, there are at least some people who speak English and/or Russian. Get out, go through the hole in the fence, and come back. Duty-free prices are comparable to Beijing retail. Hitch another ride to China, there are trucks and buses going through. On the chinese side, you can just walk out of the building and walk the 200 meters to the border gate. There is a money collection going on as you enter the arrival hall, but I didn't pay nor was asked to. Arrival forms are available.

Overall, quite a painless experience. I was at the border at around 8:40 and was back in China at about 10:20, keeping in mind that I argued every step of the way and waited to hitch a ride, so your crossing will probably be faster. Also I just needed an exit stamp and not a new visa.
I heard that the border is open from 8:30 in the morning until 6pm, but no official info to corroborate.
China Mobile signal is available all the way to Mongolia.

4) Getting back.
There are some trains, but very few and far in between. I made a photo of the train schedule if anyone is interested. The only daily train is at 8am to Jining. There are sleeper buses departing at 2:30, 3, 3:30 and 4pm, also 180rmb. I took the 2:30 one and was in Beijing about 12 hours later - there was a lhuge traffic jam and we took some weird detour. These buses go to the far-away station to the south 3rd ring rd.

Summary.

Time: bus to bus, about 31 hours, door-to-door about 34 hours.
Money: round trip bus 360, 2 taxis in Erlian 20, total 380 not counting food.
Impression: Not the most comfortable way to travel, but quite bearable. And considering a trip to anywhere else would be about 2000 or more, quite cheap.

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One additional info:

For the way back (from Erlian to Beijing) also small buses, which can take about 9 to 11 passengers are also available. The ride will cost a few RMB more (maximum 40), but the driving time will be less than 8 hours and this mini-buses will not checked outside of the 5th ring, like the big buses.

In Erlian the drivers of the mini-buses will shout around for passengers, normally they will wait until the bus is filled up with people.

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Re: How to get your visa exit stamp in Mongolia

Does this mean that if you wanna apply for a Z Visa you dont really need to live the contry, but you can take the buss and get the exit stamp or something?

Cheers

Re: How to get your visa exit stamp in Mongolia

Patcol90 wrote:
Does this mean that if you wanna apply for a Z Visa you dont really need to live the contry, but you can take the buss and get the exit stamp or something?

Cheers

Exit stamp means you leave the country and enter another country (Mongolia in this case) and then come back to China. You'd need to have a visa that would be valid to enter China again.

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Re: How to get your visa exit stamp in Mongolia

Okay, But what is this good for? Is this of any help if i want to upgrade my X Visa to a Z Visa. Usually you have to leave the country and come back and then maybe this guide comes in handy?

Or do you have to apply for these kind of Visas BEFORE you go to China?

I mean, who the hell wants no visit Mongolia for fun.

Re: How to get your visa exit stamp in Mongolia

Patcol90 wrote:
Okay, But what is this good for? Is this of any help if i want to upgrade my X Visa to a Z Visa. Usually you have to leave the country and come back and then maybe this guide comes in handy?

Or do you have to apply for these kind of Visas BEFORE you go to China?

I mean, who the hell wants no visit Mongolia for fun.

Some people (such as me) have visas that have per-stay restrictions. So we need to leave the country every so often, and come back - all because China is working very hard to welcome foreigners to the Olympics. Otherwise, it's useless.

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autumn_sun wrote:
Patcol90 wrote:
Okay, But what is this good for? Is this of any help if i want to upgrade my X Visa to a Z Visa. Usually you have to leave the country and come back and then maybe this guide comes in handy?

Or do you have to apply for these kind of Visas BEFORE you go to China?

I mean, who the hell wants no visit Mongolia for fun.

Some people (such as me) have visas that have per-stay restrictions. So we need to leave the country every so often, and come back - all because China is working very hard to welcome foreigners to the Olympics. Otherwise, it's useless.

Okay. Thanks:)
Btw, did i sence some irony in the last sentence?

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I need to get my exit stamp this weekend so my friend called the International Hotel where she was told you have to buy the tickets. They told her the only train going there is on Tuesdays...is this correct???

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tefl-dan wrote:
I need to get my exit stamp this weekend so my friend called the International Hotel where she was told you have to buy the tickets. They told her the only train going there is on Tuesdays...is this correct???

This is bull about that hotel. Apparently you need to go to Beijing train station and buy the ticket at one specific window in the ticketing hall to the right, but that place is plagued with incompetence so you need to look really hard for it. Please let us know if you actually succeed. Unless you plan to go on to Mongolia, the bus seems to be more convenient schedule-wise.

The train goes on Tuesdays and Wednesdays morning.

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Autumn_sun was so kind to provide us with the timetable and price list pictures (sorry they're big but unreadable if I resize them):

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Re: How to get your visa exit stamp in Mongolia

Hello,

I need to embark on a visa run to reactivate another 60 days on my visa, the cheapness of Erlian has caught my eye.

1) Do all long-distance bus stations have a bus to Erlian? Where are the long-distance bus stations around beijing?

2) Does anyone know the bus numbers?

3) Do you have to buy tickets ahead of time or is it board and pay?

I need to get this done by this weekend. If anyone else needs to come, let me know, a traveling buddy would be nice.

Thanks in advance.

Best,
Felix Ding

Re: How to get your visa exit stamp in Mongolia

There are two long-distance bus stations, one is south 3rd ring road, another one is north 3rd ring rd. Better find someone to call and figure it out. There is a phone number to an owner of one of such buses somewhere in this message, ask someone to call him and save you a seat. Buses *can* get full.

All Pandas Should Hang

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Thats all I want to say...

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Great work! And I appreciate your efforts.

Re: How to get your visa exit stamp in Mongolia

Hi,

Many thanks for the info. about going to Mongolia. It looks like the cheapest way to leave the country and come back with a new visa.

However to be reassured I would really like to hear from a few more people that have done the trip.

So, has anyone else done this trip to Mongolia?

Any tips, comments, things to look out for?

Many thanks people!

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Hi, i have to go to do this by tomorrow actually, and there's still one question that's kind of unanswered for me.

What about the mongolian visa? don't we need one?
Will they just throw us back to china if we don't have one?

Any quick answer is welcome thanks!

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Hi, I'm also wondering about getting a Chinese visa from Mongolia?

I have been told that in order to change my F visa to a Z visa, I need to go out of the country and get a new L or F visa (because my visa was already changed inside China once before).

Does anyone know about getting an L or F Chinese visa in Mongolia?

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Xiaopi wrote:
Hi, i have to go to do this by tomorrow actually, and there's still one question that's kind of unanswered for me.

What about the mongolian visa? don't we need one?
Will they just throw us back to china if we don't have one?

Any quick answer is welcome thanks!

Americans and some others don't need a visa to Mongolia. And if they kick you out from the border...that's the idea, you'll just go back to china Smile

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Re: How to get your visa exit stamp in Mongolia

Well well,

I got my stamp out in China, went to Mongolia which sent me back to China.
But when i wanted to go in china, they said i didn't have a Mongolian visa, so they erased my "got out" stamp. Now I'm waiting in Erlian to get a Mongolian visa (should be ready within the day). But i still lost 1 day and 465RMB for the Mongolian visa so..

I discussed a little with the army (Chinese side), they told me they really need the Mongolian stamp to allow us back in china.. (i also learned that 30day per stay, were actually 40days since China give you another 10days to attend theses go out/in matters. So you get 1 free month every 3months (saves a trip).

If somebody who had the same problem could get through the Chinese officer I'd like to know how (I'll have to do that until September, and it's not that money efficient with the Mongolian visa to add in the end).

At least it's a "very interesting experience" for those who like adventures, but if you only speak English I don't recommend it. My Chinese really saved me in many occasions around here. I hope I'll be back in Beijing by tomorrow night Smile

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May I ask: did you get the tourist visa? How long one did they give you? And do you think you can just keep doing this till september?

Xiaopi wrote:
Well well,

I got my stamp out in China, went to Mongolia which sent me back to China.
But when i wanted to go in china, they said i didn't have a Mongolian visa, so they erased my "got out" stamp. Now I'm waiting in Erlian to get a Mongolian visa (should be ready within the day). But i still lost 1 day and 465RMB for the Mongolian visa so..

I discussed a little with the army (Chinese side), they told me they really need the Mongolian stamp to allow us back in china.. (i also learned that 30day per stay, were actually 40days since China give you another 10days to attend theses go out/in matters. So you get 1 free month every 3months (saves a trip).

If somebody who had the same problem could get through the Chinese officer I'd like to know how (I'll have to do that until September, and it's not that money efficient with the Mongolian visa to add in the end).

At least it's a "very interesting experience" for those who like adventures, but if you only speak English I don't recommend it. My Chinese really saved me in many occasions around here. I hope I'll be back in Beijing by tomorrow night :)

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Yes i got the 30days tourist 1entry-exit visa. Took a few hours in Erlian, but I recommend asking for a 6months multiple entries in Beijing if you can. That way you'll be able to do it easily until September for example.

I heard that American actually don't need visa.
I also heard you could tell Mongolia you go there a few days for transit to another country so you don't need a visa (but maybe a train ticket?).

If any non American could get in Mongolia without visa with the "transit trick" I'd love some infos about it Smile

In the end was an interesting trip, not that expensive either. Food was good on both side of the border (but i don't recommend staying after day time on Mongolian side, as most men get drunk and get into fight easily).

Re: How to get your visa exit stamp in Mongolia

Thanks very much for the information! I have a few more questions:

1) Can Canadians enter Mongolia without a visa? If a visa is required for Mongolia, where do you obtain it and how long does it take?

2) Where in Mongolia can you apply for a Chinese L or F visa, and how long does it take?

Re: How to get your visa exit stamp in Mongolia

Steve_R wrote:
Thanks very much for the information! I have a few more questions:

1) Can Canadians enter Mongolia without a visa? If a visa is required for Mongolia, where do you obtain it and how long does it take?

2) Where in Mongolia can you apply for a Chinese L or F visa, and how long does it take?

Based on the Mongolian Embassy in China's website, it looks like you would need a visa.

However, this is coming from a page that has a poll asking what you think of the site and the options are:

not bad
Cool
Terrific
The best one!
what the hell is this?

http://www.mongolembassychina.org/index.php?module=content&pid=100

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just got back from visa run in mongolia.

140rmb beijing-erlian ticket bought at beijing station, 0745am arrive there at night. stay in hotel, next day bus station (10 min walk from train station) get bus across border (60+10) rmb. that takes a couple hours.

then you're in zamin-ud. there's an overnight train leaving in the afternoon for ulan bator - 18900 tugrug (~100rmb)

ulan bator is pretty cool.

coming back in was fine, too - train back to ZU, jeep across for 80 rmb (ripped off...). there are no trains from erlian to beijing after 11am apparently, and you can't buy next day tickets either. so got 'sleeper' bus (200rmb) leaving erlian at 230pm. arrived at some hotel on south second ring road at 2am. (after olympic-related temporary passport confiscation by the bus driver, and 5 roadblocks)

return UB-beijing took 34 hours.

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Cool, thanks for sharing. Can you describe the sleeper bus? What's the layout like, etc?

Does it make stops where you can get food?

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Has anyone recently done the trip to the Mongolian border for another exit stamp?

If so, can they let me know how they did the trip.

I've been told that trains and buses to Mongolia can't be guaranteed at the moment.

Cheers

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This is BS!
My gf was travelling there by using the bus, two days back. And another friend is sitting in the train, just now!

What do you mean exactly by writing:"..can't be guaranteed..."? Is this statement in respect to availability or safety?

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Re: How to get your visa exit stamp in Mongolia

Ok, Ok! Calm down.

I was told by a Chinese friend that travel in and out of Mongolia had a few travel restricitions. If he was wrong then I apologise.

If you know more about the feasibility of the trip then can you let me know train/bus times and prices. Also, where do you need to go to get the visa stamped?

It looks like I'll need a visa to enter Mongolia as I'm British. Contacting the embbassey today to clarify.

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towiedyer wrote:
If you know more about the feasibility of the trip then can you let me know train/bus times and prices. Also, where do you need to go to get the visa stamped?

The original post in this thread includes pretty much all necessary times and prices.

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Re: How to get your visa exit stamp in Mongolia

The above information has been useful so I'm asking...

Who's ready to go?

I am considering doing the visa exit-re-entry stamp to Mongolia via Erlian at the end of the month and want to find out if anyone is in the same boat. I will not be getting a new visa just exiting then returning the same day. If anyone needs to do the same I would be more than happy to make a 36 hour "An Amazing Race" trip out of this. My other option is to fly to Korea and pay 2300rmb.

If you're interested PM me.

Re: How to get your visa exit stamp in Mongolia

Due for multi entry Visa renewal around October 1 (expiration date) so Mongol trip is real possibility. Currently in Beiping. Sounds like would be fun little trip. Fermented horse milk. Mutton buffet. Let's do it!
Cheers.

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