They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
BEIJING (AP) — Beijing has backtracked on a proposed public smoking ban, saying restaurants will no longer be included due to concerns it will hurt their business, a state-run newspaper reported Monday.
Restaurants, bars and Internet cafes will be exempt from a recently announced ban on smoking in public places to start May 1, the China Daily reported.
They will now be asked only to have separate smoking and nonsmoking areas, it said.
"Originally, we wanted restaurants to keep 70 percent of the areas smoke-free, but owners of Chinese restaurants — both big and small — worried the plan would hurt their business," Zhang Peili, an official with Beijing's municipal government supervising the rule, told the paper.
"It is difficult for us to control smoking in restaurants. It's just part of the culture," he said.
China is home to 350 million smokers — a third of the global total.
Beijing pledged to hold a smoke-free Olympics and last month proposed a smoking ban in government offices, sports venues, hospitals and museums. Last week, Chinese media reported it would also be extended to elementary, secondary and primary school campuses.
Last October, Beijing banned smoking in the city's 66,000 taxis, threatening drivers with a $29 fine if they are caught.
In 2005, China ratified World Health Organization rules that urged it, within three years, to restrict tobacco advertising and sponsorship, put tougher health warnings on cigarettes, raise tobacco prices and taxes, curb secondhand smoke, prohibit cigarette sales to minors and clamp down on smuggling of cigarettes.




croozn
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
"It's just part of the culture".
Like it wasn't part of the culture in NEW YORK? Ireland?
They killed this because they knew they could never enforce it. After sunset, the taxi smoking ban has been dead for awhile now.
Watson
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
Absolutely no way anyone was going to be able to enforce this, unless they send all violators to Xinjiang to break rocks.
Seriously, people in Beijing just ignore rules like this because they know the cops are too lazy to care
sstylites
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Smoking is quite endearing. I respect the nihilism of smokers. Smoking is a permitted and very visible act of rebellion against life and the drive for success, happiness and optimism that life mandates. Heroin, cocaine, and even pot are illegal - alcoholism is looked down upon. But at least we can still say "F-U!" to self, existence, the future, and our family and friends with the old death rod.
I see smoking as an almost holy act. With the existence-detesting, anti-bourgeoisie elements seemingly in permanent, global, disgrace, smoking remains the last inarticulate sanctuary for critics of the fundamentals of life.
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autumn_sun
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Not to mention that this act emphasizes the difference between men and women - and, for women who choose to partake, serves as a powerful tool to make a bold statement of being driven to success, in control of their future, and rebellious (in a conformist sort of way)
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sstylites
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
You've identified a contradiction in my statement - or at least a willful ignoring of fact on my part. Women smoke to show their power and drive. This contradicts what I think the role of smoking should be. I believe smoking should be an indicator of frustration with the human condition. It should be a commentary on the perpetual impossibility of achieving one's desires and dreams. "Since I'll never truly be the person I want, I might as well sacrifice my lungs, skin, voice, and scent." I believe this attitude justifies smoking.
If Chinese smokers shared my view of this activity, life in this country would be much more tolerable. It would be possible to have a meaningful dialogue with this country's hundreds of millions. How smokers can be upbeat about life defies my comprehension.
If the world's smokers agreed with my statements, life on the planet would be okayish.
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autumn_sun
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
Perhaps you are thinking marijuana smoking...that's much more escapist than tobacco.
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Rainbow
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
They're not looking for any riots! The last one has already created enough headaches for them
The whole purpose of education is to turn mirrors into windows
sstylites
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
Perhaps. I might put escapism in a different category. I feel that smoking is a gritty and angry clash with life, whereas marijuana is more of a retreat - a denial.
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Watson
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Puh-lease
People smoke because they are addicted. That's it. They are not trying to convey some kind of message or anti-establishment image
alex the droog
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
Have you thought that people might smoke because they enjoy it?
ditto: drugs and alcohol.
Simple. And no need for pseudo-intellectual pontificating.
However, in China, the anti-establishment thing may hold a grain of truth. Especially for the girls, who don't inhale.
Funny, in Poland, NOT smoking was rebelling, because all their parents smoked.
sstylites
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
I didn't say that this is why people smoke. Do not turn to the obvious and probably correct explanations.
I said that the world would be more tolerable for me if this were the reason for people smoking. And do not deny me my pseudo-intellectual pontificating, thank you very much - especially not on a Monday. I was trying to give the smokers an excuse to do what they do - an excuse that would be acceptable to me. Must every comment pretend to explain the world from the perspective of others?
Please show me the same courtesy that I show to the smokers. Rather than marching forth with the tired old anti-pseudo violence, find an excuse for my, at most, slightly irritating comments.
Yes, I am touchy. And no, on a Monday, I will not seek to examine the issues from a practical and logical standpoint. Can forums no longer be valid spaces for escapism on a Monday?
On a forum like this, a scourge against the pseudo-intellectual pontificaters will leave you with a motley assortment of pseudo-English speakers, pseudo-barbarians, and pseudo-tough guys of various stripes. My statements are pseudo-clever, at best.
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alex the droog
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Erm...it was mainly directed at Watson, and absolutely no violence.
And if you re-read, I was partly agreeing with you.
Watson
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
People emjoy smoking because they enjoy feeding their addiction, satisfying their cravings.
I used to smoke, I know that feeling of finally getting a smoke after a long day. But can't honestly say I ever ENJOYED smoking. Who enjoys the smelly clothes, stained fingers, rough looking skin, bad breath?
I enjoyed satisfying my craving...
sstylites
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
That's true. I agree with you too. When I do any of those things, it is because I enjoy them.
I think I drank to much coffee this morning. Perhaps it was laced with speed. Now I need to have a cigarette.
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aier
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
I disagree with you all, and would not be adverse to your deaths.
otto
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
in your ass, Paddy
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sstylites
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
The "return" on smoking versus the damage done appears low compared to drinking or various drugs. This has always been my gripe with the activity. Perhaps heavy drinking and smoking have roughly equivalent long-term health effects, but drinking seems to bring more short-term happiness than smoking. I could smoke a pack of cigarettes and still feel miserable, but 3-4 drinks seems to always improve my mood.
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aier
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
I mostly disagree with Ottos post, the one before mine.
admin
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
i was just thinking 2 nights ago how nice it would be to have non-smoking restaurants, as I sat next to a guy who stopped eating for mid-meal smokes (across from his wife and young daughter)
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beerfest45
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Do you guys think Glenderful smokes?
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aier
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
Its possible he grinds the bones of children in to a fine powder and smokes them...but I doubt he smokes tobacco
CNlady
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
If not, we should make him.
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microphonehead
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
yes!!!!
a victory for common sense.
butters
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
You don't have to smoke to get these, enough to live in this great city of ours
This is just like Vietnam, huh fellas? Whoopee!
admin
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
what's the status on the hocking loogies ban?
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Franz Joseph
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this is a GREAT news !
China shown it's still a SOVEREIGN country once again !
F-UCK OFF you anti-smoking nutters !!
China is FREE !
Guest
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
Marco.......calm down...China is not free...
freakyqi
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
- I think Glenderful does NOT smoke, no way. The avatar's too cute.
- I agree with admin, I wish there was less smoking in restaurants. I've gotten used to some of it, but sometimes it's just TOO much. I never thought I'd say this, but NJ will be heaven in that regard. (banned smoking in ALL public buildings, even bars, you must be outside, 10feet (or 10yards?) from an entrance)
- I can see the enforcement now:
foreign tourist lady: [pointing at sign] It says no smoking! He's smoking! See the sign, it's supposed to be no smoking!
manager: [to chinese smoker, in chinese] Hey could you just put that out 'til the laowai leaves? thanks, I'll give you a free beer.
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alex the droog
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Seriously, non-smokers are the biggest, smuggest c*nts on the face of the earth. They should all be rounded up and put in a colony where they are forced to breathe clean air. Annoying bastards.
Never trust a non-smoker.
While we're at it, I f-ing hate people even more, who say 'I don't smoke cigarettes', with a knowing wink, like it somehow makes them sound cool. f*** off!
brink
Re: They Caved: Beijing Drops Restaurants in Smoking Ban
nah, smokers are anti-social bastards who don't give a f*** for their own comfort or health (their choice) or anyone else's (shouldn't be the smokers choice).
I enjoy swinging my double-headed axe around my head in public places, relaxes me. But I don't do it/am not allowed to do it. It's not fair.