If you need to choose French or Spainish as your second forgein language to learn,which one is better.
suppose you are in Beijing ,and want to use this language in your work in one electronic puducts company
Hard to say really, it depends on where in the world you would like to work and who you will be dealing with. If you're going to be dealing with South America mainly then Spannish is definitely the right language. Or alternatively, if you will be dealing with Europe or Africa, then French will probably be more useful.
I am guessing we are talking about a Chinese national whos already fairly good at English. I think Spanish would be the better choice then. Although the French still seem to think it's a world language that train left a long time ago. So unless you are planning to work in France, Quebec or a few African countries go for Spanish instead. It is a little bit easier to learn Spanish than French if you know English already,, the relationship to Latin is more obvious in many cases than French so you will likely be able to remember or guess the meaning of more words. Even if you are considering working in Africa at some point French is not as obvious a choice as you may think. English is more widely spoken than French in Africa with portuguese a close 3rd. If you speak Spanish well you will pick up portuguese at a reasonable level and with a little specialized training you will have no problem handling yourself in portuguese also. Btw,, don't go to Paris ,, it might be a romantic dream in American movies but its an expensive, dirty, crimeridden cesspool of human waste for those of us whos been there for more than a week. Yeah,, I'm in a bad mood today.
(Brian starts singing)
Stewie : Hey, who sings that song?
Brian: James Taylor.
Stewie: Let's keep it that way.
Btw,, don't go to Paris ,, it might be a romantic dream in American movies but its an expensive, dirty, crimeridden cesspool of human waste for those of us whos been there for more than a week.
so true
OP : improve ur english first, in order to be really fluent and able to articulate your ideas, opinions and personality naturally and precisely
it will make a better impression on an interviewer than fumbling in 2 languages
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Unfortunately, I picked French as my 2nd foreign language, coz I lived in Quebec for 3 years.
If we only talk about the language in business, English is certainly the most useful language. I travel a lot on my job. Speaking English basically gets me through in almost any country. At this moment, I'm away from the Beijing Olympics , having a business trip in Buenos Aires - Watching the chicas latinas on street, I really wish Spanish could replace the French in my head;) But...too late, I think I have lost the passion to learn the 3rd foreign tongue.
Really thank you all !
I dont want to go ohter place. Just stay in Beijing , what I want to know is which one is more useful here in one electronic products company. French companys is more than Spainish companys in Beijing? and the salary price? Yeah ,I know English is the No.1 foreign language in China, and I work in one electronic products company's foreign trade department think about changing a job.
IMHO more French companies than Spanish ones in BJ, although if they've opened a company/subsidiary/office here, it means the decision makers/leaders can speak some English. Therefore no real need to strive for the 2nd foreign language.
French companies do not pay as much as US companies according to my very limited experience. No idea how it is between Spanish and French companies.
“For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible.” (Stuart Chase)
Why don't you just drop by the Spanish Corner (http://pekin.cervantes.es/imagenes/File/invitacion.pdf)any Saturday and meet some native speakers and people learning Spanish (remember we are 400 million native speakers)?
Ven, te esperamos.
Maybe French, I believe soon many CHinese manufacturers(not only electronics) would like outsource many stuff in Africa, where there are large amount French-speaking area.
But granted you are rich and travel to Brazil a lot, employ Spanish or Portugese:D
I can't offer you any business related advice, but I can tell you that learning Spanish will be a whole lot easier for you than French. Spanish is rather easy to learn, you will make progress rather fast, while French might take you a while. I don't know how much time you have at your hands, considering the fact that you have to work and obviously study English, too. If I were you, I'd opt for the easier one.
"beware those who seek constant crowds for
they are nothing alone
beware the average man the average woman
beware their love, their love is average
seeks average"
I'm french, and i also tell you to not go to paris crappy city... I don't know why it's the first touristic city in the world o_XX
never chose a language by opportunity, just chose a language cause you like it. try to listen to spanish and french. Obviously, french is way more complicated, but it's part of his charm nop ?
the more useful language is spanish i think coz it's the 3rd language spoken in the world (and i don't know if french is the 4th or 5th or ... yeah maybe 4th but i'm not sure )
okey so, just watch some french movies in Original Voices (you have "Amélie Poulain" or haha, "L'auberge espagnole" which are 2 famous french movies). And what spanish movies ?? hmm "Tacones lejanos" of course (or all the other movies of Pedro Almodóvar
I'm french, and i also tell you to not go to paris crappy city... I don't know why it's the first touristic city in the world o_XX
never chose a language by opportunity, just chose a language cause you like it. try to listen to spanish and french. Obviously, french is way more complicated, but it's part of his charm nop ?
the more useful language is spanish i think coz it's the 3rd language spoken in the world (and i don't know if french is the 4th or 5th or ... yeah maybe 4th but i'm not sure )
okey so, just watch some french movies in Original Voices (you have "Amélie Poulain" or haha, "L'auberge espagnole" which are 2 famous french movies). And what spanish movies ?? hmm "Tacones lejanos" of course (or all the other movies of Pedro Almodóvar
do it ;)
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Spanish is the first or second most widely spoken native language in the world depending on how you count dialects (Chinese is the 2nd or 1st)
Spanish is a phonetic language. It has rules which determine spelling and is spelled perfectly according to those rules. There are no exceptions.
Spanish is very similar to Portuguese and Italian meaning that fluent speakers can sometimes hold a conversation and can read each others witting.
Latin culture is rich and vibrant in South America.
French is not a phonetic language, the only way to learn to spell french is to memorize each word.
French is dissimilar to other romance languages enough that it is mutually unintelligible.
French culture is withering away in Africa.
I learned French, I speak French, I am very very sorry I spent 5 years of my life studying a language as complicated and as French when I could have learned the much more useful Spanish.
Most of South America speaks Portugese actually and not Spanish....and those two languages couldn't be further apart. To a European, portugese sounds like some form of Eastern European language from a country that no longer exists.
With English as my first foreign language and having learned both French and Spanish, I would always advise to go for Spanish......I can't even remember the French for ' una cerveca por favor...."
Since zan is looking to change jobs anyhow, why be worried about the electronics industry? With chinese as your mother tongue and two foreign languages under your belt, the world is yours...
As someone said, an excellent command of english (and by excellent I mean EXCELLENT, like having a real communication skill in any kind of situation, not just being able to ask people where they come from...) will give you more opportunities in Beijing that just being able to chit-chat in 2 languages. I meet a lot of students who think they have to learn a "second" foreign language to be more competitive, when their english is actually very limited at best. Focus on completely mastering one first.
Between french and spanish choose less from 2 evils? Spanish is the best choice for you!
Otherwise you have to know asian people are not welcome in France. Because we have much arabs and africans. Now the foreigner quota is full because of them. Then don't waste your time. Thanks in advance.
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I agree with the opinion of the mayority of the people. Spanish is more widely spoken than French, it is true that the grammar is a little bit complicate but you will see that there are many similarities between Spanish and English, like:
- Future - Futuro
- Information - Información
- Reception - Recepción
- Bar - Bar
- Sofa - Sofá
- Telephone - Teléfono
- Cafeteria - Cafetería
- Microphone - Micrófono
- Grammar - Gramática
- Divide - Dividir
- Intelligent - Inteligente
- Menu - Menú
- Television - Televisión
- America - América
- China - China
- Adjetive - Adjetivo
- Verb - Verbo
- Adverb - Adverbio
- And many more...
If you master English grammar (if you know what an adjetive, an adverb is and so on) it will help you a lot when you start learning Spanish. The easiest part of that language is reading, you will be able to read very quick.
I hope you enjoy learning Spanish and meet Spanish or South American people.
I agree with the opinion of the mayority of the people. Spanish is more widely spoken than French, it is true that the grammar is a little bit complicate but you will see that there are many similarities between Spanish and English, like:
- Future - Futuro
- Information - Información
- Reception - Recepción
- Bar - Bar
- Sofa - Sofá
- Telephone - Teléfono
- Cafeteria - Cafetería
- Microphone - Micrófono
- Grammar - Gramática
- Divide - Dividir
- Intelligent - Inteligente
- Menu - Menú
- Television - Televisión
- America - América
- China - China
- Adjetive - Adjetivo
- Verb - Verbo
- Adverb - Adverbio
- And many more...
English and French are also very similar... I mean maybe as much as English and Spanish.. :\
So if i take the same list:
- Future - Futur
- Information - Information ( same spelling !)
- Reception - Réception (almost the same spelling!)
- Bar - Bar (same spelling)
- Sofa - ( ok, we don't really use this word in French but any French would understand it )
- Telephone - Téléphone
- Cafeteria - Cafétéria
- Microphone - Microphone
- Grammar - Grammaire
- Divide - Diviser
- Intelligent - Intelligent
- Menu - Menu
- Television - Télévision
- America - Amérique
- China - Chine
- Adjective - Adjectif
- Verb - Verbe
- Adverb - Adverbe
- And many more...
Choose the language you prefer, the one you think sounds better. Or read books, watch movies about countries where these languages are spoken ...
maitreyauk
Re: French or spainish
Hard to say really, it depends on where in the world you would like to work and who you will be dealing with. If you're going to be dealing with South America mainly then Spannish is definitely the right language. Or alternatively, if you will be dealing with Europe or Africa, then French will probably be more useful.
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Danmairen
Go for Spanish,,,
I am guessing we are talking about a Chinese national whos already fairly good at English. I think Spanish would be the better choice then. Although the French still seem to think it's a world language that train left a long time ago. So unless you are planning to work in France, Quebec or a few African countries go for Spanish instead. It is a little bit easier to learn Spanish than French if you know English already,, the relationship to Latin is more obvious in many cases than French so you will likely be able to remember or guess the meaning of more words. Even if you are considering working in Africa at some point French is not as obvious a choice as you may think. English is more widely spoken than French in Africa with portuguese a close 3rd. If you speak Spanish well you will pick up portuguese at a reasonable level and with a little specialized training you will have no problem handling yourself in portuguese also. Btw,, don't go to Paris ,, it might be a romantic dream in American movies but its an expensive, dirty, crimeridden cesspool of human waste for those of us whos been there for more than a week. Yeah,, I'm in a bad mood today.
(Brian starts singing)
Stewie : Hey, who sings that song?
Brian: James Taylor.
Stewie: Let's keep it that way.
babochina
Re: Go for Spanish,,,
OP : improve ur english first, in order to be really fluent and able to articulate your ideas, opinions and personality naturally and precisely
it will make a better impression on an interviewer than fumbling in 2 languages
level certificate in their language specialty; English | Japanese |
Korean | Russian | French | German | West sacrificial language | Dutch
Pekinois
Re: Go for Spanish,,,
Unfortunately, I picked French as my 2nd foreign language, coz I lived in Quebec for 3 years.
If we only talk about the language in business, English is certainly the most useful language. I travel a lot on my job. Speaking English basically gets me through in almost any country. At this moment, I'm away from the Beijing Olympics , having a business trip in Buenos Aires - Watching the chicas latinas on street, I really wish Spanish could replace the French in my head;) But...too late, I think I have lost the passion to learn the 3rd foreign tongue.
zan00789
Re: French or spainish
Really thank you all !
I dont want to go ohter place. Just stay in Beijing , what I want to know is which one is more useful here in one electronic products company. French companys is more than Spainish companys in Beijing? and the salary price? Yeah ,I know English is the No.1 foreign language in China, and I work in one electronic products company's foreign trade department think about changing a job.
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zan00789
Re: French or spainish
Edited out - double post
我 完全 没有 任何 理由 理你
seabreeze98
Re: French or spainish
IMHO more French companies than Spanish ones in BJ, although if they've opened a company/subsidiary/office here, it means the decision makers/leaders can speak some English. Therefore no real need to strive for the 2nd foreign language.
French companies do not pay as much as US companies according to my very limited experience. No idea how it is between Spanish and French companies.
“For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible.” (Stuart Chase)
Male bean counter looking for job in China.
xibanyayu
Re: French or spainish
Why don't you just drop by the Spanish Corner (http://pekin.cervantes.es/imagenes/File/invitacion.pdf)any Saturday and meet some native speakers and people learning Spanish (remember we are 400 million native speakers)?
Ven, te esperamos.
http://pekin.cervantes.es/cn/default.shtm
mathis94
Re: French or spainish
Iam French, and I tell u to learn spanish, its much easier
KZ
Re: French or spainish
Maybe French, I believe soon many CHinese manufacturers(not only electronics) would like outsource many stuff in Africa, where there are large amount French-speaking area.
But granted you are rich and travel to Brazil a lot, employ Spanish or Portugese:D
Latino girls rule.^^
Bottlenecking
ESG
Re: French or spainish
I can't offer you any business related advice, but I can tell you that learning Spanish will be a whole lot easier for you than French. Spanish is rather easy to learn, you will make progress rather fast, while French might take you a while. I don't know how much time you have at your hands, considering the fact that you have to work and obviously study English, too. If I were you, I'd opt for the easier one.
"beware those who seek constant crowds for
they are nothing alone
beware the average man the average woman
beware their love, their love is average
seeks average"
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zan00789
Re: French or spainish
with many thanks
我 完全 没有 任何 理由 理你
babydrink
Re: French or spainish
I'm french, and i also tell you to not go to paris
crappy city... I don't know why it's the first touristic city in the world o_XX
)
never chose a language by opportunity, just chose a language cause you like it. try to listen to spanish and french. Obviously, french is way more complicated, but it's part of his charm nop ?
the more useful language is spanish i think coz it's the 3rd language spoken in the world (and i don't know if french is the 4th or 5th or ... yeah maybe 4th but i'm not sure
okey so, just watch some french movies in Original Voices (you have "Amélie Poulain" or haha, "L'auberge espagnole" which are 2 famous french movies). And what spanish movies ?? hmm "Tacones lejanos" of course
(or all the other movies of Pedro Almodóvar
do it
mathis94
Re: French or spainish
[private ON] faut que l'on se fasse un jeu de Go :)[private OFF]
rbourne
Re: French or spainish
Spanish is the first or second most widely spoken native language in the world depending on how you count dialects (Chinese is the 2nd or 1st)
Spanish is a phonetic language. It has rules which determine spelling and is spelled perfectly according to those rules. There are no exceptions.
Spanish is very similar to Portuguese and Italian meaning that fluent speakers can sometimes hold a conversation and can read each others witting.
Latin culture is rich and vibrant in South America.
French is not a phonetic language, the only way to learn to spell french is to memorize each word.
French is dissimilar to other romance languages enough that it is mutually unintelligible.
French culture is withering away in Africa.
I learned French, I speak French, I am very very sorry I spent 5 years of my life studying a language as complicated and as French when I could have learned the much more useful Spanish.
meetme
Re: French or spainish
Most of South America speaks Portugese actually and not Spanish....and those two languages couldn't be further apart. To a European, portugese sounds like some form of Eastern European language from a country that no longer exists.
With English as my first foreign language and having learned both French and Spanish, I would always advise to go for Spanish......I can't even remember the French for ' una cerveca por favor...."
Since zan is looking to change jobs anyhow, why be worried about the electronics industry? With chinese as your mother tongue and two foreign languages under your belt, the world is yours...
Nomadz
Re: French or spainish
As someone said, an excellent command of english (and by excellent I mean EXCELLENT, like having a real communication skill in any kind of situation, not just being able to ask people where they come from...) will give you more opportunities in Beijing that just being able to chit-chat in 2 languages. I meet a lot of students who think they have to learn a "second" foreign language to be more competitive, when their english is actually very limited at best. Focus on completely mastering one first.
Nomadz
Re: French or spainish
Are u drunk, or did you stop going to school when you were 6 and never made it to geography class ?
hardyolbaum
Re: French or spainish
Between french and spanish choose less from 2 evils? Spanish is the best choice for you!
Otherwise you have to know asian people are not welcome in France. Because we have much arabs and africans. Now the foreigner quota is full because of them. Then don't waste your time. Thanks in advance.
--
I Adore My Amiga 64...
64 Kilobytes And 16 Colors Of Retro Computational Awe!
aizhu
Re: French or spainish
I agree with the opinion of the mayority of the people. Spanish is more widely spoken than French, it is true that the grammar is a little bit complicate but you will see that there are many similarities between Spanish and English, like:
- Future - Futuro
- Information - Información
- Reception - Recepción
- Bar - Bar
- Sofa - Sofá
- Telephone - Teléfono
- Cafeteria - Cafetería
- Microphone - Micrófono
- Grammar - Gramática
- Divide - Dividir
- Intelligent - Inteligente
- Menu - Menú
- Television - Televisión
- America - América
- China - China
- Adjetive - Adjetivo
- Verb - Verbo
- Adverb - Adverbio
- And many more...
If you master English grammar (if you know what an adjetive, an adverb is and so on) it will help you a lot when you start learning Spanish. The easiest part of that language is reading, you will be able to read very quick.
I hope you enjoy learning Spanish and meet Spanish or South American people.
I wish you all the best!
idiosyncratic
Re: French or spainish
English and French are also very similar... I mean maybe as much as English and Spanish.. :\
So if i take the same list:
- Future - Futur
- Information - Information ( same spelling !)
- Reception - Réception (almost the same spelling!)
- Bar - Bar (same spelling)
- Sofa - ( ok, we don't really use this word in French but any French would understand it )
- Telephone - Téléphone
- Cafeteria - Cafétéria
- Microphone - Microphone
- Grammar - Grammaire
- Divide - Diviser
- Intelligent - Intelligent
- Menu - Menu
- Television - Télévision
- America - Amérique
- China - Chine
- Adjective - Adjectif
- Verb - Verbe
- Adverb - Adverbe
- And many more...
Choose the language you prefer, the one you think sounds better. Or read books, watch movies about countries where these languages are spoken ...