How Can I Find a job In Beijing
I'm a project Manager, I have been in Beijing this year as tourist and I liked the lifestyle and people also. In my country, I have a job in an Morocccan Company, we are "Microsoft Gold Partner Custom Development solutions, Business Process and integration", I code and Manage the projects.
In The North Africa, my company represents Microsoft. We have some projects in Mauritania, Tunisia and Libya. I work with Sharepoint Technologies (SPS 2003, MOSS 2007), also custom development and BizTalk 2004/2006.
Since comeback from China and I dream to work in Beijing in a foreign company, I have now 3 years experience. The problem's don't have a idea to how search a job in China, maybe there are some websites or you have to be in china to search ?
Thanks.



jiake851002
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
How about www.zhaopin.com?
JK
Poeloq
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
Try the classifieds on this site for some early indicators.
piggesvin
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
Try newchinacareer.com
But if you don't speak chinese I doubt that you will find any well paid IT-jobs here. And you say you have 3 years experience, in my book your still a newbie. There are ofcourse a lot of local IT-people here.
To get a good contract you need to be sent out from your home country or apply for a job specially seeking foreigners.
But maybe your demands are not that high and then it might be possible....good luck.
Hefner
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
I'd suggest you to contact relevant chambers of commerce/trade councils and companies you'd like to work for directly and offer your service.
Forget online ads if you want a good job...
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bruselee
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
www.recruit.net
inata
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
www.thebeijinger.com- looking for employment.
www.zhaopin.com.cn
www.51job.com
www.chinahr.com
Maonet
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
Why you said that I have to forget online ads ?
When I have been in Beijing, I saw too many people came in china and after they started to prospect the offers, but I'm not sure if it's the best way ?
So now I have to forget the sites of recruit ?
Sounds bad ! In Ireland, Australia for example, 3 years experience are enough to find a good job with a good wage. I don't know about what are you based to said this.
So Now what's the best way to find a good job in a foreign company ?
Hefner
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
you don't have to forget about online ads completely, just don't make it your main method for looking for a job. it's quite possible that you will get lucky and find a decent job via an online ad but don't count on it. many chinese firms believe that they can get a Harvard MBA graduate to work for 4.000 RMB / month on a tourist visa.
in my experience, the [really] good jobs are never advertised at all. companies just use their existing networks to find the people they need (and those networks may include eg. chambers of commerce and the like).
plus you have to consider how to market yourself. these days it's not enough "just to be a foreigner" to get a good job in China. what makes you "better" than a local?
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isabela0528
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
I suggested you try to learn a bit Chinese. If you really like and want to live in this city.
Don't worry. Beijing is lack of technical expert like sophisticated. Escpically for software industry. If you are really a ability person. You will find your perfect position with good treatment.
http://www.xing.com
http://www.51job.com/default-e.php
http://www.chinahr.com/english/
http://english.zhaopin.com/
http://english.meijob.com/beijing
Try these websites, most famous. I hope it will be helpful.
redwheeler
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
Actually, no.
First, I'm a (so-called) fluent Mandarin speaker. Even made it in the newspapers. Call me friggin' Da Shan #2.
Now, it all comes down to money. If you're willing to work for 10k to 15k RMB a month, you'll be able to find an IT / software job in Beijing. More than that, it's going to be tough. By the way, 10k to 15k is project manager wage, not programmer wage. If you want to code, chop it down a bit.
Note that you can make double teaching English. Also, in China, foreigner = English teacher. Talk with the recruiters by all means and see what type of jobs you are offered.
Speaking Mandarin is not the issue here. You're doing something easily done by a Chinese person, so expect the standard Chinese wage with no "package". There are many Chinese people looking for work, they have International experience, speak English well, have programming and management skills, and will settle for a lower wage than I would.
If you want the elusive "package", you need to find a job that a typical Chinese person can't do (or that the company thinks they can't do). International Business Development, Sales (to International companies using you previous relationships)... teaching English.
Best of luck! If you are willing to work for the wages I mentioned above, PM me. I'll send you the resources you need.
Maonet
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
Now I see what you mean and I'm agree.
It's a shame that the real good jobs not be in the net.
About the chambers of commerce, I have to contact The chinese chambers of commerce ? Have you any website or contact please ?
Comparing by local, I have a foreign experience, management, languages and new ideas. The fact to have one more foreign in your company is plus !
Yep if I want to live in this city, it's very important to learn chinese BUT it's not required to found a job.
Well, I have to search, continue searching till find something interesting but my searchs must be clever searchs.
In your opinion, the websites are enough to find a great job ?
Hefner
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
No, contact foreign chambers of commerce in China. start with the one(s) from you home country/region and take it from there.
Find out if there are specific networks and organisations for people working in the field you are interested in. Get in there and network!
Also, contact companies HR departments directly and offer your services. With luck, that may also yield results.
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Maonet
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
Ok I'll start to search it and see how can I contact the other chamber in China. I guess it's difficult but I'll try.
Yep it's a idea. I'll see, I start to have some contacts in Beijing, so I'll focus about it.
I want to ask you an important question : what the medium wage for foreigners in Beijing like Project Managers, Engineers ... ?
imamababa
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
Hello Maonet.
Im doing the sharepoint project now in a moderate company , my wage is 5k RMB each month, as a programer, our manager maybe offered 10K RMB per month , we are both chinese. I think if you have 3 year experience on sharepoint , you will at least be paid 15K-20K.month , try to find some IT companys at zhaopin.com websites
CM
Captain Morgan
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
Alas, Maggot, if you are willing to work for pennies like 15000 RMB per month, perhaps I can get you a job as me Cabin Boy.... Hardy, Har, Har... That kind of coin wouldn't even cover me bar tab...
Ok, on a less harsh note, isn't Dalian the IT capital of China? Maybe move there with the other Qwerty nerds...
Good luck, and CHEERS!!!
Time flies when you are having rum...
Maonet
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
I have 2 years in SharePoint but 3 years experience in IT.
For me, to start with 20K it's great. After I'll look for have a better wage.
Thank you. If you find some interesting propositions, It'll be great to receive it by private message.
My main objective is to collect a rich experience, to have a foreign experience. Money is second objective !
Captain Morgan
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
Hmmm... If you are looking for a foreign experience, I hear Maggie's is the place to go... Enjoy!
Time flies when you are having rum...
Hefner
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
I personally doubt you'll make more than 10-15k RMB / month working for a chinese firm on a local contract. now, that's certainly enough to get by on but you wont enjoy many Bollinger evenings that way.
try targeting foreign firms if you can. they pay better, have better management and (probably) more contract perks.
then again, that semi-dodgy chinese software firm might just be the next microsoft or alibaba...
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piggesvin
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
I base it on over 12 years as an IT-consultant. You can probably find a job here but I doubt you'll make any good money. A lot af people are naive before they come here and think you can dominate the chinese in the IT-market. I think that's the wrong idea, the chinese are skilled and if you don't speak the language you need to bring something special to the table. So if you are a normal java or .Net programmer you are not that special.
Maonet
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
Yep after all your replies, I think so the same.
My objective is to find a job in foreign company, I don't matter about chinese company cause I search a real experience But where can I find the list of foreign companies installed in Beijing ?
Ok Now I see, so to have a good job with a good wage, you need more than 7 years experience and to be expert in special product Like SAP for example ? Or for example have a MBA from very prestigious university ?
.NET or Java, Forget it ... ?
Maonet
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
Yep after all your replies, I think so the same.
My objective is to find a job in foreign company, I don't matter about chinese company cause I search a real experience But where can I find the list of foreign companies installed in Beijing ?
Ok Now I see, so to have a good job with a good wage, you need more than 7 years experience and to be expert in special product Like SAP for example ? Or for example have a MBA from very prestigious university ?
.NET or Java, Forget it ... ?
piggesvin
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
Obviously you don't get anything what I'm saying. I said I think you can get a job but I doubt you'll make any good money.
Maonet
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
I understand what you said, don't worry and thank you for all the explanations and details.
juanzi
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
How? Just work in and say, "Hey, I wanna talk to your boss"?!
peach12
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
You won't find a job. Especially in tech. What can you do that is worth 10x the wage of a local bilingual Chinese national who has graduated from over seas universities?
Jobs here that can be "Found" are the normal valuable jobs in engineering, management and finance. Apart from the entrepreneurs the rest of the foreigners here are hippies or english teachers or western white trash.
China is not a place to "Look for work". If you =need= to 'look for work' you need to stick to locales that are like supermarkets. Where you can browse the shelves to purchase.
China is like an empty and fertile field. You come here to plant you own crop and cultivate it. Doing anything less is wasting the opportunity that is China and you will only be disappointed in salary otherwise - that is assuming that you can offer something that the locals can't provide themselves.
If you were a Linux or Unix expert - then maybe. But Microsoft and CISCO here are a dime a dozen and also it is not what the labour market demands... even though many an IT "School" makes loads of cash training people in the skills that the market place does not need... MS and CISCO. :-s
Can your write UML? Relational Algebra? Design large clusters to serve web sites and OLTP? Provide critical analysis and business analysis/process engineering? Risk assessments? Policy Creation? Audit Schemes? Service Delivery (off shore) centre management?
The IT jobs in China are the real "IT" jobs which got lost amongst the rest of the "Computer Services/Programming/Desktop Support" deluge in the west in the last 15 years that hijacked the name "IT". And somewhat devalued the profession too...with people that suck at advanced maths and don't have classical business degree's as well (that whole crazy mapping of business process to tech that is the core of the profession!)
Those basic jobs "Computer Services/Programming" that you refer to as "3 Years in the west is a good salary"... what? 80-100K a year? Good salary? :-\
The jobs left in China are the real IT jobs mentioned above. The ones that are 180-280K in the west. And are paid around 60-100K RMB a month here and are filled equally well by foreigners and locals without any care as to the race or nationality of the person.
Don't get me wrong. Try if you think you can do it...nothing comes of nothing. And even the foreigners here that are refered to as as "the elusive package" are for the most part fairly dense too. Top talent is sent to locales other than China/Beijing.
The key part of doing business in China is all about "Managing Expectations". And I am hoping that I have assisted in managing yours too.
Cheers,
RF.
http://zhaopianblog.com.cn/
http://www.utilitycomputing.com.cn
jasmine_keel
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
Have you considered job search coaching with experienced and local-based career coaches and consultants?
Good to keep you on track and focus on the best-job hunting ways, that exclude online ads and job search engines but concentrate on targeting the companies that need to set of skills and strengths.
Have a look at www.inspiredbeijing.com and their job search coaching programs.
Jasmine
Jasmine Keel | Founder and Managing Director
INSPIRED | www.inspiredbeijing.com | Your Life & Career Transition Support in China
Maonet
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
That could be an idea, an interesting schedule for a foreigner but I guess It's expensive this kind of programs.
I'm still searching and I'll see if it's good idea to be there or not.
Maonet
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
Actually I'm analysing the market and I have a question : With the financial crisis, do you think that it 'll be better to work in what they consider is the "new number one" and the next force "China", or to work in Europe even if it's crisis there ?
jasmine_keel
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
Actually, it all depends. Not necessary too expensive if you use the job search coaching workshops formula.
Have a look at the next INSPIRED / German Chamber of Commerce joint event at:
(http://china.ahk.de/en/services/hrtraining/vocational-training-beijing/c...)
Jasmine
Jasmine Keel | Founder and Managing Director
INSPIRED | www.inspiredbeijing.com | Your Life & Career Transition Support in China
Chinasoft Resource
Re: How Can I Find a job In Beijing
really a lot of suggestions and feedback above~~. Whether you have already found a job in China? or you still live in your hometown searching for a job in China? or you have just given up the idear of working in China? If possible, you are welcomed to contact with me by sending a message to me for I think with your 3Y MOSS 2007 experiences we may offer you a job in support of our US customer(Sharepoint2007 Administrator). Actually, we now have two Indian candidates who are still in process of our interview and one Indian candidate waiting for another interview arrangement.(the interviewer is from India, so Indian candidate has certain advantage in communication and also English will be the working language.)
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