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Complaints on Chinese moral justification for cheating/ swindling Foreigners and Racism

What I hate is how so many Chinese people I run into try to morally justify cheating foreigners, usually "Western" looking ones, on the basis that "they're rich, so it's okay to." I also hate how they try and laugh it off when I point this out, and try to explain that it's okay for them to lie because I have "money", and in China that's okay. Sorry, but even though this is "just China," there is no way in hell you can justify your cheating on a cultural basis. Yes, I'm experienced enough in China to fight the BS charges when I see them, but it still annoys the hell out of me (and is UTTERLY time consuming) to keep doing so.

To them, it's okay to...

-Charge extra when making purchases in shopping plazas
-Add on extra "service payments" on rent, utilities, services, etc.
-Charge extra for housing as well. Lots of landlords like westerners because they just bend over and take it when the landlords add extra housing costs
-English rape the hell out of them

(Please feel free to add to the list)

I point out to them that it's racist and discriminatory what they do. They actually get mad and point to me and say the US is full of racists, so it's okay. I don't deny it, but at least there's admission of racism rather than down right denial of its existence in the U.S. Literally every Chinese person I've spoken to denies racism exists on the justification that everyone in China is Chinese, so they can't be.

At least in the states we understand (for the most part) that stereotypes- good or bad, are essentially racist in nature, while the Chinese embrace them. White= Rich, American, and "open". Black= athletic and possibly a drug dealer. Etc. And they'll say this to my face. My other white friends have gotten jobs as essentially window dressing at companies to make them look more "international" while my Asian looking friends (who grew up overseas in English speaking countries), have to prove they have fluent English despite having college degrees and higher when looking for a job here.

I had a Japanese roomate that had to pay a local doctor a "hong bao" red bag payment, to have an emergency surgery performed on him. In any modern country this is extortion and outright racism that would get a doctor fired. But here, it's so run of the mill that people don't care. In fact, they supported the doctor for charging the "Japanese devil."


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another bad china day?

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i cant say i hate it, but it kills me Sick

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"There's a sucker born every minute"
-- PT Barnum

"It's all about money, ain't a damn thing funny. You gotta have a con in this land of milk and honey"
-- Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five

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admin wrote:
"There's a sucker born every minute"
-- PT Barnum

"It's all about money, ain't a damn thing funny. You gotta have a con in this land of milk and honey"
-- Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five

Admin the examples you use do not justify what the poster was complaining about. Westerners are not suckers they have no recourse to the injustices that are served upon them. You cannot use P.T. Barnum's famous quote to respond to the OP.

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Yeah but its a small prize to pay for living in paradise Theyre poor, youre not, 怎么办..It is no different than in many many other places in the world in that respect..

The GFFF quote was funny tho Big Grin

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I think the huge drop in tourism is showing what many foreigners think about cheating. Plus not making foreigners feel welcome during the Olympics which was an INTERNATIONAL sporting event was not a smart move either. But that inherent racism will hold the country back.

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Do rich Chinese people also have to pay extra or is that just for westerners?

A friend of mine (who is Chinese) started an argument with someone who tried to charge me extra. The response was: Why are on his side when youre Chinese?

If this is not racism, then what is it?

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In fact, they supported the doctor for charging the "Japanese devil."

Well I'm not saying racism is deserved here, but you should try googling "rape of nanking" and you might get a feeling of why Chinese feel the way they do about Japan. And if you still feel sorry for the Japanese, go visit Japan and see how many bars/clubs you can go into without hearing "no gaijin". They are still the most racist Asian country I've been to. You should see the racist comic books they sell everywhere.

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I have seen that Chinese also try (and succeed) to cheat other Chinese; however, Westerners are by far softer targets.

When you consider the levels of poverty and lack of education this country has things like this should not come as a big surprise. The "he/she is Western, so he/she is rich" concept that people here use to justify that behavior is actually not that far from the truth. Most people here usually have led more difficult lives than most foreigners had.

However, I'm not saying that is ok. Understanding why things happen is not the same as approving things should be like that. Whatever some Chinese want to put it, there is nothing right about cheating other people, foreigner or not. And that whole "Westerners and Japanese exploited China before" justification is just plain BS. For God's sake, I'm Latin American, so what does my country have to do with all that? And if you do come from one of the "Imperialists Superpowers" being treated like that just because of your nationality shows just how ignorant and bigoted some people really are. No country has a clean sheet, period.

Finally, before someone else comes and says "Well yeah but you should look at how X country has this and that problem too", this IS a discussion about China. I'm not denying other countries have their own problems.

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Look, buy a video camera, grab a chinese friend, have chinese friend inquire about purchasing the item, once that's done, you go and inquire about purchasing the item, get the vendor on tape jacking up the price for you and selling it to your friend at a normal price, take the tape and show it to the authorities/cops/consumer bureau/youtube/etc... once you have the proof on tape, and you threaten to show it to the world to the appropriate authorities, that might make a difference.

otherwise, your sol.

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tefl-dan wrote:
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In fact, they supported the doctor for charging the "Japanese devil."

Well I'm not saying racism is deserved here, but you should try googling "rape of nanking" and you might get a feeling of why Chinese feel the way they do about Japan.

The Chinese feel the way they do about Japan because of the lies that were fed to them by the party after they took control in 1949. Mao actually thanked the Japanese for the war that they fought against China. The Japanese apologized long ago and Chinese people are still given the idea that they never did or only half hearted. It's all propaganda to keep the party in power. Few Chinese people know the truth about their own country and the ones that do aren't talking for fear of their lives. Nanking was a terrible thing but it was the fault of the communist party that a war was even being fought in Southern China. Research it and find the truth. The whole thing was started by Zhang Zhi Zhong, who was a mole inserted into the Nationalist Army by Mao, when against Chiang Kai Shek's orders he broke the truce in Shanghai and attacked the Japanese and tried to make it look as if the Nips attacked first. The Japs tried to stop it but he persisted and drew Chiang into it and all hell broke loose and the result was a Chinese defeat in Shanghai and then Nanking. Jesus God!

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people here are equal-opportunity swindlers. They'll take anyone for a buck, take my word for it. Foreigners, by virtue of knowing less about the ways of the world here, make for easier targets. but believe you me, if you laowai weren't around they'd find someone else to cheat.

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Zhenlai...I am pretty sure you will make a great Chinese History professor. You tell it very well. If it is true, then all I have to do is shake my head for not letting Chinese people know the truth

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Remember that there are a lot of Chinese people who are embarassed about ill-treatment of foreigners regarding prices.

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It's not uncommon for them to try charge 1000% of the original price, because your are a foreigner.

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people here are equal-opportunity swindlers.

No they aren't. They home in on foreigners over their countrymen and cheat (or attempt to cheat) them by larger margin, too.

Incidentally, at least a few westerners on this board probably have a similar mentality, although directed at a different target - "it's a big company so they won't miss what I'm taking"...sound familiar to anyone?

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Well; in a country that development is measured by the NUMBER OF NEW BUILDINGS; the success of a vendor can be measured by the level of rip-off.

About two weeks ago I visited a small town in Hebei; I saw a set of clothe priced at 35,000 RMB / in front of the entrance there were more than 20 small kids grabbing my hand for 5 jiao.

Many people here are happy because "they have food to eat"; it seems that nobody wanna think that why they got into Great Famine at the first place / maybe foreigners brought "Great Leap Forward" into China; God knows

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Rainbow wrote:

Many people here are happy because "they have food to eat"; it seems that nobody wanna think that why they got into Great Famine at the first place / maybe foreigners brought "Great Leap Forward" into China; God knows

They all know very well what caused the famine during the great leap and it wasn't foreigners. They just want to blame it on the locusts.

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I'm afraid Cheaters are all around the world...

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Word.

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Po wrote:
I'm afraid Cheaters are all around the world...

Yes, and it is not depending of the Nationality.

One example, I often play some game with my Chinese friend: We both are buying the same stuff, who will get the lower price. And very often I'm the winner.........then he becomes angry, and we have to go for drinking hahahahaha

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I agree with this last Dissappointed.

I've often been able to get lower prices than locals because they tolerate my annoyances. If a Chinese shop owner says something is 150 yuan to a chinese customer, and the customer offers 20 kuai, the shop owner would yell at him to get the f*** out of the store. If I do it, he would laugh and further negotiating would commence.

There is OBVIOUS racism, but who's to say it isn't without it's perks.

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AndrewDewar wrote:
I agree with this last Dissappointed.

I've often been able to get lower prices than locals because they tolerate my annoyances. If a Chinese shop owner says something is 150 yuan to a chinese customer, and the customer offers 20 kuai, the shop owner would yell at him to get the f*** out of the store. If I do it, he would laugh and further negotiating would commence.

There is OBVIOUS racism, but who's to say it isn't without it's perks.

This is true and I've witnessed it firsthand, both here and also recently in Yangshuo. These sellers are more likely to tell off a local if they give a lowball offer. Foreigners that know what they're doing can often get better deals.

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