BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted Jan 8, 2009 10:32am by atticlearners

atticlearners

Joined: Dec 5th, 2008
Posts: 1

L-F conversions were temporarily stopped on Jan. 6.
Why? No idea...

2758 views
Login or register to post comments

Disappointed

Joined: Sep 25th, 2006
Posts: 854

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: Disappointed on Jan 8, 2009 11:20am

Which nationality?

women are like tornados, they moan like hell, when they come and take the house, when they leave
__________________________________________

qq126

Joined: Jan 4th, 2009
Posts: 4

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: qq126 on Jan 8, 2009 12:14pm

every nationality?

visa services

jurgwyss

Joined: Feb 10th, 2008
Posts: 10

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: jurgwyss on Jan 8, 2009 12:31pm

yeah, i got the same anwer when trying to apply for a conversion yesterday... let's hope it's only temporary...

qiaoqiao

Joined: Mar 28th, 2007
Posts: 398

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: qiaoqiao on Jan 8, 2009 12:38pm

Come on, the reason is obvious! No more not qualified foreign workers are allowed in China in this period of economic crisis. Every Country tends to protect their own workers!

The feeling is that foreigners are not as much welcome as were years ago. Why? Because now more and more Chinese have experiences abroad, can speak more languages and know how to do business with foreigners.

So, if you want to work here, is better to have some special talents that locals don't have, and the mere English language is not any more considered as such!

Memento Audere Semper

Disappointed

Joined: Sep 25th, 2006
Posts: 854

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: Disappointed on Jan 8, 2009 12:39pm

Live in China becomes more difficult for foreigners...!?!

women are like tornados, they moan like hell, when they come and take the house, when they leave
__________________________________________

zhi-ji

Joined: Dec 10th, 2008
Posts: 7

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: zhi-ji on Jan 8, 2009 12:51pm

Any word on why extensions are stopped or how long this will last? What about alternatives to change or extend foreign visas in China?

OR ARE WE COMPLETELY F*CKED?

hitme

Joined: Dec 4th, 2005
Posts: 491

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: hitme on Jan 8, 2009 12:58pm

Unfortunately, the English levels of many locals are still not up to snuff. Emails are still often laden with grammatical mistakes and incorrect formal or informal tones, not even to mention errors in written formal documentation. Every time I ask my local staff to write something, I ended up wasting time correcting the English when I should be focused on content quality. And yet, there are other folks who's English is their 4th or 5th language, and yet their English is perfect.

And aside from English language skills, there are also overall professional skills, such as participating effectively in meetings, being proactive, and actually thinking beyond one step ahead. Also, there's the skill of having a good handshake. That's not to say all locals are like this, but I sure encounter this more often here than when working in other countries where English is also not a native language.

A closed mouth gathers no feet.

alex the droog

Joined: Apr 16th, 2006
Posts: 9,632

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: alex the droog on Jan 8, 2009 1:11pm

What the f*** are you doing on L visas anyway?

psccoops

Joined: Sep 25th, 2007
Posts: 155

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: psccoops on Jan 8, 2009 1:14pm

who give a s..t i got a z visa, lets get rid of all the teachers who cant get a job in their own country cos they got a s..tty degree.

tefl-dan

Joined: Feb 25th, 2008
Posts: 1,162

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: tefl-dan on Jan 8, 2009 1:23pm

psccoops wrote:

who give a s..t i got a z visa, lets get rid of all the teachers who cant get a job in their own country cos they got a s..tty degree.

Yes, with English like yours, you have proven your own point.

After donning a Patriots cap the Dalai Lama decreed that “the fifth noble truth is this: In 2009, Tom Brady will make people suffer for the suffering he endured in 2008.”

alex the droog

Joined: Apr 16th, 2006
Posts: 9,632

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: alex the droog on Jan 8, 2009 1:24pm

sucessfulandinnowaybitterman wrote:

who give a s..t i got a z visa, lets get rid of all the teachers who cant get a job in their own country cos they got a s..tty degree.

yawn, you tedious c**t

drfaustus

Joined: Jul 22nd, 2007
Posts: 97

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: drfaustus on Jan 8, 2009 1:40pm

hitme wrote:

Unfortunately, the English levels of many locals are still not up to snuff. Emails are still often laden with grammatical mistakes and incorrect formal or informal tones, not even to mention errors in written formal documentation. Every time I ask my local staff to write something, I ended up wasting time correcting the English when I should be focused on content quality. And yet, there are other folks who's English is their 4th or 5th language, and yet their English is perfect.

And aside from English language skills, there are also overall professional skills, such as participating effectively in meetings, being proactive, and actually thinking beyond one step ahead. Also, there's the skill of having a good handshake. That's not to say all locals are like this, but I sure encounter this more often here than when working in other countries where English is also not a native language.

Lollzzzzz, it gives me no surprise that someone with the above piece of funny English decries the English level of Chinese people. Particularly the sentence below speaks volumes about Mr. Perfect's own writing skills.

"And yet, there are other folks who's English is their 4th or 5th language, and yet their English is perfect."

I think therefore I am.

qiaoqiao

Joined: Mar 28th, 2007
Posts: 398

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: qiaoqiao on Jan 8, 2009 1:44pm

f*** all this whining about L to F!!! You want a job? Then apply for a position which entitles you to a Residence Permit.
With a L you are just a tourist, with a F you can do just business but not working on a full time job!

Memento Audere Semper

stockholmsweden

Joined: Jan 8th, 2009
Posts: 19

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: stockholmsweden on Jan 8, 2009 1:49pm

Chinese do not have experience abroad to any greater extent, any visit to a Guomao office will prove this. Additionally, the vast majority of Chinese who do go abroad, stay with their diaspora and do not learn from the new culture. Hence they do not know how to make business with foreigners, which is why courses in how to make business with Chinese still are as popular as they are. English still constitutes a (great) comparative advantage whereas those who can actually speak good English are surprisingly few, proven again by the large amount of English teachers needed (always with the preference they be native, or at least Western).

Finally, analytic thinking is not encouraged in the Chinese education model, any visit to Tsinghua or Peking University will prove this too, which means that creative thinking, Alpha and Omega in business life, is needed to be acquired from abroad (the massive recruitment in well-renown foreign owned business in China, is tangible proof of that)

tefl-dan

Joined: Feb 25th, 2008
Posts: 1,162

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: tefl-dan on Jan 8, 2009 2:00pm

32 points for using *diaspora* on a message board.

After donning a Patriots cap the Dalai Lama decreed that “the fifth noble truth is this: In 2009, Tom Brady will make people suffer for the suffering he endured in 2008.”

qiaoqiao

Joined: Mar 28th, 2007
Posts: 398

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: qiaoqiao on Jan 8, 2009 2:01pm

Even if all of what you say is true, still if you want to work in China you must have a Residence Permit....so apply for a job that entitles you to it!

Period!

Memento Audere Semper

Langfang Vegas (not verified)

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: Langfang Vegas (not verified) on Jan 8, 2009 2:10pm

drfaustus wrote:

hitme wrote:

Unfortunately, the English levels of many locals are still not up to snuff. Emails are still often laden with grammatical mistakes and incorrect formal or informal tones, not even to mention errors in written formal documentation. Every time I ask my local staff to write something, I ended up wasting time correcting the English when I should be focused on content quality. And yet, there are other folks who's English is their 4th or 5th language, and yet their English is perfect.

And aside from English language skills, there are also overall professional skills, such as participating effectively in meetings, being proactive, and actually thinking beyond one step ahead. Also, there's the skill of having a good handshake. That's not to say all locals are like this, but I sure encounter this more often here than when working in other countries where English is also not a native language.

Lollzzzzz, it gives me no surprise that someone with the above piece of funny English decries the English level of Chinese people. Particularly the sentence below speaks volumes about Mr. Perfect's own writing skills.

"And yet, there are other folks who's English is their 4th or 5th language, and yet their English is perfect."

Er...this must be some kind of joke, right? Surely you are not so stupid as to make this comment sincerely?

ChinaBoy

Joined: Jan 23rd, 2007
Posts: 368

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: ChinaBoy on Jan 8, 2009 2:16pm

qiaoqiao wrote:

Even if all of what you say is true, still if you want to work in China you must have a Residence Permit....so apply for a job that entitles you to it!

Period!

Idiot. Some people get a F visa to LIVE in China.

zhenlai

Joined: Aug 18th, 2008
Posts: 6,796

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: zhenlai on Jan 8, 2009 2:21pm

tefl-dan wrote:

32 points for using *diaspora* on a message board.

How come nobody ever gave me points for antidisestablishmentarianism?

美国鬼子

drfaustus

Joined: Jul 22nd, 2007
Posts: 97

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: drfaustus on Jan 8, 2009 2:23pm

stockholmsweden wrote:

Chinese do not have experience abroad to any greater extent, any visit to a Guomao office will prove this. Additionally, the vast majority of Chinese who do go abroad, stay with their diaspora and do not learn from the new culture. Hence they do not know how to make business with foreigners, which is why courses in how to make business with Chinese still are as popular as they are. English still constitutes a (great) comparative advantage whereas those who can actually speak good English are surprisingly few, proven again by the large amount of English teachers needed (always with the preference they be native, or at least Western).

Finally, analytic thinking is not encouraged in the Chinese education model, any visit to Tsinghua or Peking University will prove this too, which means that creative thinking, Alpha and Omega in business life, is needed to be acquired from abroad (the massive recruitment in well-renown foreign owned business in China, is tangible proof of that)

Dude practicing "College Essay Writing" on the forum! =D>

I think therefore I am.

qiaoqiao

Joined: Mar 28th, 2007
Posts: 398

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: qiaoqiao on Jan 8, 2009 2:24pm

ChinaBoy wrote:

qiaoqiao wrote:

Even if all of what you say is true, still if you want to work in China you must have a Residence Permit....so apply for a job that entitles you to it!

Period!

Idiot. Some people get a F visa to LIVE in China.

Dumbshit!

Memento Audere Semper

Langfang Vegas (not verified)

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: Langfang Vegas (not verified) on Jan 8, 2009 2:42pm

because that's a stupid and largely redundant word, not a clever one

Langfang Vegas (not verified)

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: Langfang Vegas (not verified) on Jan 8, 2009 2:52pm

George7

Joined: Mar 17th, 2005
Posts: 91

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: George7 on Jan 8, 2009 3:05pm

Particularly the sentence below speaks volumes about Mr. Perfect's own writing skills.

"And yet, there are other folks who's English is their 4th or 5th language, and yet their English is perfect."

I kind of like it, it's cute.
I have seen - Wittness's - before and many, many -'it's'
for its,however, ' who's ' is really unique.

chinadoll

Joined: Aug 19th, 2008
Posts: 2

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: chinadoll on Jan 8, 2009 9:09pm

Please, when I was back in the US, the Bank of America clerk could not even write a simple memo and profusely thanked me for writing it out for her. It was also her native and only language so it was pretty sad to see. Over half of university freshmen have to go to English remedial class because their English written expression is simply not up to par. Overall, workers' basic skills are pretty atrocious in the West, with plenty of people who can't even count or spell. You apparently have a few spelling problems of your own. Or I guess if English is not your native language, I would suggest that you keep your missionary/neo-colonialist attitudes back home and think about whether if your Chinese compares favorably to your Chinese colleagues' English. After all, you are working in China right??

Keast

Joined: Oct 4th, 2008
Posts: 3

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: Keast on Jan 8, 2009 9:34pm

chinadoll wrote:

Please, when I was back in the US, the Bank of America clerk could not even write a simple memo and profusely thanked me for writing it out for her. It was also her native and only language so it was pretty sad to see. Over half of university freshmen have to go to English remedial class because their English written expression is simply not up to par. Overall, workers' basic skills are pretty atrocious in the West, with plenty of people who can't even count or spell. You apparently have a few spelling problems of your own. Or I guess if English is not your native language, I would suggest that you keep your missionary/neo-colonialist attitudes back home and think about whether if your Chinese compares favorably to your Chinese colleagues' English. After all, you are working in China right??

Yea I find amazing double standards in foreigners here sometimes. I always tried wrapping my head around being fluent in another language when I was nowhere close to a complete foreign language environment, (i.e. learning to be fluent in German in Miami) my hats always go off to the chinese people, the effort is there, props to them.

zhi-ji

Joined: Dec 10th, 2008
Posts: 7

Re: BAD NEWS! L-F visa temporarily stopped

Posted by: zhi-ji on Jan 9, 2009 1:10am

zhi-ji wrote:

Any word on why extensions are stopped or how long this will last? What about alternatives to change or extend foreign visas in China?

OR ARE WE COMPLETELY F*CKED?

Anyone able to share any relevant information?