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New Cracks Appear In the Global Warming Dogma

It looks like the Japanese government advisory panel on science is saying "nope".

Japanese: U.N. Man-Made Global Warming Theory Like 'Ancient Astrology'

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/japan_warming_UN/2009/02/25/185606.ht...

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Re: New Cracks Appear In the Global Warming Dogma

If you are going to site Newsmax as your source, a site which relies on such intellectual heavyweights as Ann Coulter and d*** Morris, and which sells Sarah (Palin) Kuda Coffee, do you expect to ever be taken seriously on this forum in the future.

Its about as ingenuous as the people who write on this site asking for opinions for which shoes to buy, just so you will click on their website selling fake Nikes. If this is your mode of operation, your honesty must be called into question.

Re: New Cracks Appear In the Global Warming Dogma

Given you immediate dismissal of any opinion or source you disagree with, please look in the mirror when you say "your honesty must be called into question."

So, are you a true believer in Global Warming my son, or just pissed off at me personally?

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Re: New Cracks Appear In the Global Warming Dogma

squid wrote:
If you are going to site Newsmax as your source, a site which relies on such intellectual heavyweights as Ann Coulter and d*** Morris, and which sells Sarah (Palin) Kuda Coffee, do you expect to ever be taken seriously on this forum in the future.

Its about as ingenuous as the people who write on this site asking for opinions for which shoes to buy, just so you will click on their website selling fake Nikes. If this is your mode of operation, your honesty must be called into question.

Squid...the " source " can produce any media report true or false no matter who they are or how mickey mousey or big source they are. Look at all the US sources that reported "factual" info on Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.It is not unheard of from other sources that solar activity has been cited many times but people seem to dismiss it rather readily because it is difficult to understand. I wonder how we have had other ice ages and how it was that the ice melted without CO2 and all the other pollutants in the atmoshhere. Thats something worth looking into if people are serious students of global warming but we never seem to hear enough about that. I think that is what the Japanese scientists have been looking at.

STFU already...

Re: New Cracks Appear In the Global Warming Dogma

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zORv8wwiadQ

Trust me, it's so danger.

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seriously though, what doesn't cause global warming? almost everything right? apart from growing your own large variation of crops for self-consumption. sex. erm.. sitting around talking. so just use less stuff and what you use make it come from as close to you as possible. right? ish?

Trust me, it's so danger.

Re: New Cracks Appear In the Global Warming Dogma

Did they finally run out of western scientists who were willing to say global warming is just a weird coincidence?

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If you read Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity, and d*** Morris for news, you don't have a discerning enough mind to make worthwhile contributions to serious discussions. Quoting newsmax is similar to quoting the Onion-it's pure parody. Only a fool would do so.

The people who want to argue against man causes environmental changes, do so simply because they are selfish and without any long term vision for anything. They are the d*** Cheneys and Sarah Palins of the world.

What are you afraid of, that we might pollute less? Or that you won't have the opportunity to recklessly use any and all natural resources to your heart's pleasure?

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You're the fool, squid. Just as stupid as those hidebound conservatives who refuse to read anything from The Guardian.

Sure, Newsmax is forwarding its agenda by presenting this news story. Does that mean the story is false or doesn't exist? That it's not worthy of consideration? Have you ever pondered the fact that by not running this story, your chosen news outlets may be forwarding their own agendas? By being such an ideologue, you are limiting your own perspective.

Being objective is like being perfect - you will never get there, but you need to try and get as close as humanly possible. That's why it's important not to dismiss out of hand publications that don't fit your worldview.

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*yawn*

Only immature little crybabies still believe in global warming.

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how about global dimming the remedy?

If you're going to be two-faced, at least make one of them good looking.

Re: New Cracks Appear In the Global Warming Dogma

Squid, are you saying it's not true? Are you saying the JSER has not released such a statement?

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Owynne wrote:
how about global dimming the remedy?

Hi Owynne! Are you talking about people getting dumber?

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the_remedy wrote:
Squid, are you saying it's not true? Are you saying the JSER has not released such a statement?

Hey, you're way ahead of him! Why would he even consider that when he's already dismissed the whole thing because he doesn't like Newsmax? It's much more expedient to not even get to the point where you have to analyse something that attacks a cherished ideological pillar. It's also sloppy, lazy thinking.

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the_remedy wrote:
Owynne wrote:
how about global dimming the remedy?

Hi Owynne! Are you talking about people getting dumber?

goggle it the remedy, and this world needs a remedy to global dimming as well as global warming. it means the world is getting less sunlight but hotter....

If you're going to be two-faced, at least make one of them good looking.

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the_remedy wrote:
Squid, are you saying it's not true? Are you saying the JSER has not released such a statement?

I am saying there are thousands of studies. and handpicking one to say it makes your point, when your agenda (as newsmax) is always to only show one side of the argument, no matter how accurate or inaccurate is worthless. Does newsmax post other articles that refute this claim?

Of course not, they are not news, they are propagandists.

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Good morning the remedy. Although I was referring to global dimming, you do have a valid question about people getting dumber but we will need a new forum to explore that one.

If you're going to be two-faced, at least make one of them good looking.

Re: New Cracks Appear In the Global Warming Dogma

Have you heard of magnetic radiation, Owynne?

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squid wrote:
the_remedy wrote:
Squid, are you saying it's not true? Are you saying the JSER has not released such a statement?

I am saying there are thousands of studies. and handpicking one to say it makes your point, when your agenda (as newsmax) is always to only show one side of the argument, no matter how accurate or inaccurate is worthless. Does newsmax post other articles that refute this claim?

Of course not, they are not news, they are propagandists.

We're all well aware of the thousands of studies - and the hysterical predictions of many of the authors of these studies, too. And the grants they receive to carry out their research. Well, the article was presented here as "new cracks appear in AGW theory", not "a comprehensive refutation of AGW theory". I don't see how citing this one study to that end somehow invalidates it from consideration.

However, you appear to be an ideologue with an ossified mind regarding this issue. There is little point having a rational discussion with you about it.

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the_remedy wrote:
Have you heard of magnetic radiation, Owynne?

yeah, controversy or none, I still wont live near a power line or risk my son .
I might not mind dying young but I want my son to live a full and happy life without getting harmed by asbestos or radon.

If you're going to be two-faced, at least make one of them good looking.

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squid wrote:
the_remedy wrote:
Squid, are you saying it's not true? Are you saying the JSER has not released such a statement?

I am saying there are thousands of studies. and handpicking one to say it makes your point, when your agenda (as newsmax) is always to only show one side of the argument, no matter how accurate or inaccurate is worthless. Does newsmax post other articles that refute this claim?

Of course not, they are not news, they are propagandists.

You've got to be joking. You're saying the country that gave us the Kyoto protocol comes out with a study saying global warming is a silly thing to believe in, and you dismiss it because of who reported on it? And at the same time you say we are the biased ones?

You are a hypocrite and a fiend.

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Owynne wrote:
the_remedy wrote:
Have you heard of magnetic radiation, Owynne?

yeah, controversy or none, I still wont live near a power line or risk my son .
I might not mind dying young but I want my son to live a full and happy life without getting harmed by asbestos or radon.

I mean from the sun.

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Does newsmax post other articles that refute this claim?

So, let me get this straight. Let's turn this on its arse. Every time a newspaper or magazine publishes a story about the latest apocolyptic prediction from a group of scientists of the horrors that will be wrought by AGW, that newspaper should also post another article to refute the claim - to avoid the label of "propagandist"?

You really haven't thought very much about this, have you?

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I'm no fan of global warming, but I wish these weren't Japanese scientists.
Don't they also say that there are plenty of whales left and there's no problem hunting them?

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We r all gonna die!

If you're going to be two-faced, at least make one of them good looking.

Re: New Cracks Appear In the Global Warming Dogma

there are plenty of minke whales left

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blucat wrote:
I'm no fan of global warming, but I wish these weren't Japanese scientists.
Don't they also say that there are plenty of whales left and there's no problem hunting them?

There are plenty of whales. The issue with the Japanese is that they are yellow-skinned. You don't see anyone attacking Icelandic, Norwegian, or American whalers, do you?

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Earth ain't dead yet. But we've lost too much biomass.

Billions of dead humans would replenish things enough to start reversing the process.

If humanity would like to survive, however, the only option is agricultural revolution, localized trade, capping out greed by rewarding folk spiritually and sensually rather than materially.

A worldwide upsrising to take down the corporate/governmental power base would result in anarchy, war, etc.

A one world government with an uncorruptable leader wielding absolute authority would be the least painful path to take.

And a system of governance that limits people's actions but not their *minds*.

When I said 'death' before 'dishonor', I meant alphabetically.

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Sciency wrote:
Earth ain't dead yet. But we've lost too much biomass.

Billions of dead humans would replenish things enough to start reversing the process.

If humanity would like to survive, however, the only option is agricultural revolution, localized trade, capping out greed by rewarding folk spiritually and sensually rather than materially.

A worldwide upsrising to take down the corporate/governmental power base would result in anarchy, war, etc.

A one world government with an uncorruptable leader wielding absolute authority would be the least painful path to take.

And a system of governance that limits people's actions but not their *minds*.

*drops jaw*

I know people like this exist. But it still baffles me when someone says sh*t like this and means it.

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The Japanese government didn't come out with this study you fool, it was one of many many groups that submit their findings to the government. No one knows what extent it has validity or even who this group is.

But so what? What are you trying to say exactly? Now we need to ignore every other scientific study, because of one small blip, posted on one small, insignificant propagandist news blog?

What if even we took the preposterous stance that man has nothing to do with global warming (despite all the evidence to the contrary, just to humor the radical right), are the goals of less pollution and less waste of resources still not a good one? What does your side propose, that we just carry on like we always do, like nothing will ever happen? That's your remedy?

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