Examples of Blatant Racism
Taxi drivers, I've found, most commonly practice blatant racism. This is showcased when they'll pass you, after having made eye contact, with you waving your hand and their "For Hire" sign showing to pick up another fare 10 meters down the road. Sure - maybe they're afraid of some language difficulties - but when I'm in a hurry to get to work I'll usually mutter, "racist", under my breath rather than, "oh the poor soul is afraid he won't be able to communicate with me".
I've got a theory - but it requires research - I'd like to hear of your experiences with racism here in China. If you'd be so kind.




misterzeero
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or maybe its just because you look fugly...?
Quote:
Groucho Marx
avianflu
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Knee slapper there. Bravo.
Edit: reply to misterzero
ChinaBoy
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I can't get taxi drivers NOT to stop for me. I try to walk across the street and have to fight to walk around them as they'll drive slowly in front of me and then stop, blocking my way
Jamie Shorter 29
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By the way my Chinese gf has trouble with taxi drivers all the time.
Sometimes, they refuse to take her where she wants to go all the way because of their change over times. She refuses to pay and walks out.
And it is illegal for them to say no when we get in and shut the door. She says she will call the company when they refuse. They, of course then agree to take her.
It is in fact illegal for them to smoke. Especially with waigors inside. They can fart though and spit.
It's not racism. Many taxi drivers are sh*t in most countries. Just harden up and learn their laws.
They have an ID number. Pretend to take that into your phone and next thing, by magic, all will be ok.
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avianflu
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The only time it really pisses me off is when I'm in a hurry. Granted it doesn't happen a lot but it's raises my eyebrows a bit when they pass me up to pick up someone else right next to me.
But I'd have to say you're right about out and out racism here. The only time I ever really saw it get out of hand was when there were protests against the Japanese here in Beijing a couple of years back. Cars flipped over and all kinds of nonsense.
boydoggy
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I used to wait for a taxi in the mornings on a very slow-moving, chocka street and had the same experience of them stopping for Chinese but not for me. So I started asking about that. They would say they feared they couldn't communicate with the foreigner and so would drive past. This is an interesting rationalisation for what is downright racism but it also speaks to the deeper all-pervasive racism that non-Chinese are ignorant barbarians. An illustration for this: you and your Chinese friends are sharing a taxi to your various different homes. Yours is the first. The taxi driver is lost. However good your Chinese, the driver won’t think of asking you the way. Instead, he will ask your friends, and failing that, he will call out to random strangers on the street. They – at least – are Chinese. Do an experiment: keep track of how often you are talked down to as though you were a half-wit or 3-year-old or lectured on subjects in a didactic fashion by a person who clearly hasn't the faintest idea of what they are talking about and yet feels the pathological need to be thought of as an authority. There's a term for that: inferiority complex. The irony! That's what ticks a lot of people off, Cyrusbobo and my Chinese wife please take note.
wordperfect
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Mr AV, I generally have a great deal of respect for your posts and find them informative, balanced and well thought out, maybe it was a bad taxi day?
Also, Kiaora to my NZ brother, he has made good points.
However, there is another viewpoint here, one of eurocentricity, or trying to implant our western values in a different culture, which I find a bit superior and arrogant.
Who are we to define RACISM, or any other ISM in another country, simply because it is not permitted in our own society?
I tend to see it as freedom of expression, and celebrate the fact that as an employer, landlord or what ever I can say NO to people who I feel are undesirable, and if that includes their height, weight or skin colour, so be it.
I left NZ more than a decade ago to escape the insane PC behaviour that has strangled the country, and I am sure it is not just a NZ problem.
So, yeah mutter what ever comes to mind, but at the same time celebrate the fact that you too are able to post a want ad for exactly what you want without incurring the wrath of a multitude of "rights groups" and government departments stocked with officials with nothing better to do.
There are already too many whinging losers in China who left their own country to find something new, fresh and different and then spend all their energy complaining that it isn’t like home here.
I say Amen to that.
Certainly, things are not always perfect here, where are they, but if it becomes too much to bear, 25 kuai and 20 minutes subway takes you to the airport.
I will happily contribute to the subway fee.
RemmyM
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Japan:
1) Me, walking into a nightclub in Tokyo. Conversation in Japanese:
Bouncer: You can't come in.
Me: Why not?
Bouncer: You're a foreigner.
Me: That's racism.
Bouncer: Yes, that's right.
2) Me, walking into a hotel.
Front Desk person: Welcome! ("Irasshaimase!" Sees that I'm a foreigner:) Oh, no welcome! Foreigners are no good! ("Gaijin dame!")
3) Me, standing on a street corner waiting to cross. Old man comes up to me, goes off his head yelling crap about "get the hell out of my country!"
Luckily I'd been working for the yakuza so spoke to him like a gangster- this phrase is useful if you wanna learn it: "Gan tobashten jya ne yo!"
The guy almost crapped his pants.
Lots of other stuff....
Remmy be pimpin' in BJ, yo!
Jamie Shorter 29
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I agree. New Zealand has become f***ed up by the insane PC behaviour.
I had to get out of there too.
Kiaora bro.
Nice comeback by Stacy.
(These guys will think that is some kind of threatening code).
Bless em.
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wordperfect
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Correct, in parts.
A few years back I was back home on business with 2 Chinese women both of whom spoke English, one of whom was near fluent having lived in Canada most of her life.
Yet on almost every occasion when we were met by hotel service staff, restaurant staff taxi drivers or the like, they ignored my friends and addressed their questions to me, including the very offensive, "Where are they from? What do they do?"
Before I left for Asia I had several Korean friends and if we went anywhere the local people would speak to them as if they were 6 year olds, if they spoke at all.
I guess this is human nature, we ALL feel more comfortable with our own kind.
avianflu
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A reasonable post and one that I tend to agree with. Thanks for contributing to the discussion.
avianflu
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I honestly had Japan in mind and the various things I'd read concerning racism towards foreigners there when writing the original post. I don't think the situation in Beijing even approaches what's found in Japan. And thankfully so.
Jamie Shorter 29
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Ya, but Remmy the Japs at least try to immerse themselves into their new cultures and environments when they travel. They are just tougher than the Chinese and more assertive. Japanese rugby, soccer, Pride, UFC.
That is why they are more popular than the Chinese in NZ.
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RemmyM
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It's true Japanese try to immerse themselves into new cultures... when living abroad. The ones who stay in Japan are pretty stuck in their ways though, and consider something to be wrong with fellow Japanese who emmigrate.
Oh, and Japanese are more popular/accepted in NZ because they- for the most part- are polite, don't spit, don't get into trouble with triads/gambling/extortion/murder and don't always have traffic accidents.
That's an easy preference.
Remmy be pimpin' in BJ, yo!
taoqibao
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@avianflu
What kind of a waiguoren are you?
Black? Brown? Cabbies say they won't pick up Uighurs for reasons you can imagine. Might you be Turkish looking?
I've never had a problem with cabbies passing me for other customers. Usually it's constant honking from the cabbies, which can be quite annoying.
What really sucks is when you really need one and they're nowhere to be found.
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
- VP
avianflu
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I'm white. I'm honestly leaning towards the fact that the times I was passed over was due to trepidation on the part of the cab driver with regards to the communication issue. When it happens I do have to wonder if it's because I'm a foreigner though.
Jamie Shorter 29
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Ya, and you forgot the cruelty to animals (by the Chinese).
Just before I came to China, I was in a hostel in the Gold Coast. The Jap sufers were arrogant, had dyed hair and were often smacked over for "dropping in".
In my first night, feeling a little shy and knowing no one, I rolled up to their table with a few beers. Being new to the hostel, I thought Asians, they will be friendly, they totally ignored me (my bad and very racist) so I moved to the next table full of tough Aussies and a huge tough Tongan guy.
As soon as they learned I was a Kiwi, they embraced me, especially the tough Tongan guy, he was a soldier back from being posted and he and I spent the next week on the piss and surfing togther.
Ya, it is an odd thing, racism.
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bobby_liu
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current beijing taxi drivers are all from rural areas of beijing.
they suck big time. i hate them all.
hongma
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Here is a practical advise if you don't speak chinese to beijing cabbies: have a sign in chinese saying you need a ride and will give a very good tip.It works for me and some of the cabbies become my best friends.
RemmyM
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Is this a surf term??
On a related(?) note, racism and ignorance have a lot in common. Here's a true conversation, on a trip to NZ (I'd just gotten in a taxi at the airport):
Taxi driver: Where've ya just come from?
Me: China.
Taxi driver: Aw, do you eat a lot of sushi over there?
Me: .......
Remmy be pimpin' in BJ, yo!
RemmyM
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One time in Nanjing it was the evening before Spring Festival and it was impossible to get a taxi anywhere.
I was desperate because I had to get across town to attend a party, so I ended up on the side of the road waving a 50 kuai note (for a 20 kuai trip).
It worked.
Remmy be pimpin' in BJ, yo!
avianflu
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Not all of them are. I rode with one this afternoon that was born in a ping fang right near the drum tower. I'm always happy to run into old Beijing folks...they've got some great anecdotes. And as an added bonus they know where they're going when I tell them my destination.
taoqibao
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You mention the Japanese, and they do seem to be quite tepid to certain people (esp the Koreans and Chinese).
They seem to treat Americans differently. I'm thinking the firebombings and fat man/little boy straightened them out?
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
- VP
stcroix2bj
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It happens to me quite often, but it depends on the part of town. Usually out west it happens most often. I have even had female cabbies wave me off standing in the rain holding my infant daughter. It is frustrating, but I would prefer to replace the word racism with discrimination. This isn't a color issue, it's a nationalistic issue ... there is the Chinese and then there is everyone else.
bobby_liu
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true.
years ago, taxi passengers love to use the terms "taxi brother" and "taxi sister".
now people dont really like them as in the past.
they view them as labours only.
sad, but it's the same everywhere. like vancouver indian taxi drivers....
RemmyM
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Well, here's the thing- if you don't speak the language they might seem like the nicest people, but if you really, really know the language- I was there 12 years- you can read between the lines. And it's not pretty.
Remmy be pimpin' in BJ, yo!
taoqibao
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Haven't they always?
Remember 骆驼祥子? Aren't these 'taxi brothers/sisters' the modern day equivalent, but with AC and GPS.
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
- VP
otto
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Cabs always stop for me, chop f-ing chop.
I think Mr. Zeero was right. who wants to pick up someone who's fugly?
Cabs often skip chinese people to pick me up. perhaps that should make me feel guilty but it doesn't.
I'm wonderful.just goddam fantastic.
s hit on all of you who can't get a cab. losers
really, I'm dead serious.
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
Jamie Shorter 29
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Ya, it is like a rule that every surfer learns within a month of standing up.
If a surfer has a wave, closest to the curl (white water) you don't drop in as that is dangerous, meaning, one person to one wave and two is dangerous. And if a surfer drops in it makes it more dangerous and bad for the original surfer to make the wave. It is like theft with danger.
Man, back in New Zealand I have seen sprightly, cheeky kids paddling furiously away from a big serious guy they dropped in on only to be caught and then attracting sharks. Haha.
Funnily enough when I was in Aussie, the top female surfer, world number 1, dropped in on me twice like I was a piece of sh*t. Pam Beacham I think her name was, f-ing bitch, haha, should have raped her!
So, anyway, the Japs just dropped in obliviously (Pearl Harbour?) and got smacked over regularly.
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taoqibao
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Interesting.
I've been here for 4 years and when I speak Chinese (not too shabby), they tend to open up. They're are quite amazed that a waiguoren can speak their language.
Yeah I've heard that Japanese tend to feel threatened if gaijin speak good Japanese, but here it's different (though they may alienate you in other ways, such as: 'Oh, you are a foreigner, you don't understand'....).
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
- VP