How much graphic designers, web programmers earn?
- Joined: Mar 26th, 2009
- Posts: 14
I'd like to know what is the pay scale for Chinese people in
1) Graphic designer (Drawing by hand, photoshopping, illustrating, web page designs etc)
2) Programmers (Java, HTML, PHP etc)
If you have knowledge of wider or narrower fields for example just a PHP-programmer, that information is welcome too.
Of course the pay scale is different according to experience but I'm interested to know the scale from "straight out of school" to "seasoned expert".
Does english speaking skills affect the pay? If yes how much?
arias
Re: How much graphic designers, web programmers earn?
For locals in a normal company. Not MNC or whatever.
(1) 2000-3000RMB. Top designer I had was paid 6,500RMB.
(2) 2500-3500RMB. There are better coders for databases and stuff and they were paid above 4,000RMB.
Foreign graphic designers are not in demand.
Foreign programmers, somewhat.
English skills affect pay only if they need it. Most local companies don't care about English skills for these positions.
nepolianbutter
How much graphic designers, web programmers earn?
Its depend your capability,work and your communication skills.Because this field is now very growing up and people use the internet very fastly.so this field demand more employee.
psd to html
Schnitz
Re: How much graphic designers, web programmers earn?
Here where I work in Beijing, local Software Engineers (Java, Javascript, PHP) are paid 15k to 20k a month. With experience it gets higher, up to 25k. Sadly, the government taxes the crap out of them (income tax, social, housing fund...)
mjtaylor
Re: How much graphic designers, web programmers earn?
No it doesn't, you have no idea how housing fund and other benefits work at all here. Effective tax rate is stupidly low.
Nidaye
Re: How much graphic designers, web programmers earn?
Exactly, housing fund is basically an 11% tax-free bonus. Some companies even contribute up to 20%.
mjtaylor
Re: How much graphic designers, web programmers earn?
Not only is it a tax-free bonus, but the employee side of it comes out pre-tax which lowers the income tax even moreso. That housing fund money, if there is no house to be paid off and just be sucked out in tax-free cash, and more than makes up for all the other social insurance withholdings on the employee side. My wife's job has tons of perks which are not "compensation" officially, but excluding those and looking only at actual cash in hand, it's something like an effective 8% tax and she is NOT anywhere near "low-income". Once you figure in all the perks (free internet, free heating, free parking, petty cash for meds each month purchased or not, money for various health-related things used or not, etc.) her tax rate is effectively negative.
Housing fund, think of it like a very generous matching 401k, except there is 0 penalty to empty it out and there are no taxes paid on it when you do.
Expats who are forced into the social insurance scheme do NOT get housing fund, which distorts the picture quite a lot from a personal viewpoint. However, taxation levels in China are very very very fair, very well devised and you tend to see quite a bit of results coming from your contributions.
The pension isn't glorious, but hell, at least it's something.
The healthcare isn't gold-plated, but again, at least it's something, which for an average citizen is a hell of a lot more than they would otherwise be able to have.
Americans who are in the mood to whine bitch and moan about taxes really either need to check that at the border, or get the hell out... especially when they have no idea what the hell they are talking about, and even moreso when they are self-centered little pricks who think the world revolves around them. This is China, 300m might be rather well off, but 1b others ain't as lucky. The day that the 300m decide they don't have any responsibility in carrying the weight is the day they find themselves up against a wall wishing they had.
Schnitz
Re: How much graphic designers, web programmers earn?
I guess YOU didn't understand at all how those "benefits" work.
1. Housing fund can only be withdrawn partially if you provide fa piao's for rent or fully for a mortgage. It's not something that you can withdraw "in cash at will". I guess you might do so through an "agent", but then it's illegal. If you are not planning to buy a flat in China (and a lot of my colleagues are planning to migrate instead of buying real eastate) the housing fund is BS. Same goes for health insurance, they avoid hospitals when possible and if forced to do something serious (like giving birth, etc.) they go to HK or a private hospital, where of course the government health plan doesn't cover them and they pay outta their own pocket.
2. The perks of your girlfriend (free DSL, free mobile, meal cards etc. and what so ever you name it) are tax fraud if she doesn't pay the income tax for it, period. No discussion. Mostly everyone gets away with it, but it's still tax fraud and therefore illegal. I personally know a company who just got fined a huge, even in USD huge, sum for providing tax-free "meal cards".
3. Chinese housing and other social funds are all more or less a snowball system and are in effect EMPTY. In theory the fund has to build up money over time and pay out to you when you quit, but it doesn't do that. Most of the contributions are embezzled one way or the other by local officials and a portion of the current contributions are used to pay off the small amount of people currently eligible for the benefit. If everyone would know ask their contributions back / became eligible for withdrawing, then the whole shebang would collaps in nanoseconds.
Nidaye
Re: How much graphic designers, web programmers earn?
Legal or not, everyone I know that has housing fund benefits is able to withdraw it once or twice a year.