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The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

I raised this on one of the other threads but thought it was worth one of its own so opinions welcome please.

I have started dating a Chinese girl and am learning of the cultural differences this raises. There is a big difference in our salaries so it seems only fair that I would pay more than my share on things we do together such as eating out, trips etc.
When I met her she was living in a really bad apartment with very low rent. We have since moved into a new apartment together on a significally higher rent than she was paying but less than I was paying on my old place.

I have agreed to pay all the rent as it was less than I was previously paying. So she is now living rent free. In addition I tend to pay for 90% of all joint costs...restautants, train tickets, eating out etc. She pays for her personal costs incl clothes, cosmetics etc. In addition she does pay for some groceries but this is small as we usually eat out and I virtually always pay.

Dont get me wrong here I am am happy to be paying much more than her and I do care about her but I want the relationship to feel fair and I don't want to be taken for a ride. It is more the principle rather than the money.

Am I being taken for a ride here or does this sound reasonable? Back home I would expect a girl to pay much more...maybe contribute towards rent (if not 50%) and make more of an effort on joint costs.

She tends to look after herself well going shopping most days (small but consistent spending) so its not like she has no money. Also she doesnt tap me for gifts etc to be fair.

Am interested in other experiences here. Of course there are no hard and fast rules. What do the Chinese girls on the site think?

thanks in advance,


Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

Not necessarily taken for a ride, no.

But if she has her own money then she should share the burden.

You say you would expect a girl at home to pay.....why are you treating this girl any different then?
Are you trying to adapt so completely to Chinese society that you'll start swigging the Baij, wearing Lacoste shirts and sporting a man-bag?

It's no problem for one party to pay all the rent if only they can afford it.
Ask her if she's willing to pay some. If the answer is a flat out "no"....get rid of her.
You pay 90% of everything?.....hmmm, again if she has no money or is looking for a job this is fine, otherwise it's a big no.

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

Yes, she is getting some economic benefits from your relationship, but this is happens a lot over here. As long as it isn't just about the money, then I wouldn't be too worried. But you should keep it in mind in case things don't work out in the end.

I've heard of stories where girls wanted to break up with their boyfriends, but couldn't because they'd be left homeless once they did. This is especially true when the girl is from wai di and doesn't have any family or close friends here to fall back on.

Note that girls coming from more traditional families won't move in with you before marriage. And yes, this is true even in Beijing.

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

sounds like this money issue is really bothering you.

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its more a case of whether I am being manipulated a little by not being any the wiser. Maybe I am just being a little paranoid

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

poiuytr wrote:
She tends to look after herself well going shopping most days (small but consistent spending) so its not like she has no money. Also she doesnt tap me for gifts etc to be fair.

maybe you gf is a little self-centered. Confused

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

Aier2 wrote:
Not necessarily taken for a ride, no.

But if she has her own money then she should share the burden.

You say you would expect a girl at home to pay.....why are you treating this girl any different then?

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Well the salary differential would not be so great back home so it not the same situation

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

Aier2 wrote:
But if she has her own money then she should share the burden.

Agreed

Aier2 wrote:
You say you would expect a girl at home to pay.....why are you treating this girl any different then?
Are you trying to adapt so completely to Chinese society that you'll start swigging the Baij, wearing Lacoste shirts and sporting a man-bag?

Unless the OP wants to find a laowai gf, the chances of him finding a partner here without having to make some concessions are small (though it's not impossible).

Aier2 wrote:
It's no problem for one party to pay all the rent if only they can afford it.

I suspect that is the case here.

Aier2 wrote:
Ask her if she's willing to pay some. If the answer is a flat out "no"....get rid of her.

This is a good "test", but it could also backfire. But then you might say this result would prove that she wasn't worth it anyways.

Aier2 wrote:
You pay 90% of everything?.....hmmm, again if she has no money or is looking for a job this is fine, otherwise it's a big no.

The OP mentioned that they are now living in a much nicer/more expensive place that she was when she was by herself. Also, they eat out a lot and I'm pretty sure she is used to cooking. I guess what I'm getting at is she's adapting to his lifestyle, which requires more financial reserves. Of course, she's probably not complaining as she probably views this as an "upgrade".

Anyways, there have been previous threads on this same topic - OP, you should try doing a search. I believe I've even responded to one of them so you could try looking at my past replies.

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

OP is clearly a tightwad

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

poiuytr wrote:
its more a case of whether I am being manipulated a little by not being any the wiser. Maybe I am just being a little paranoid

I don't blame you for asking. Just be aware economic status definitely plays a big factor in partner selection over here. But often times it is really out of necessity, so choose carefully.

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otto wrote:
OP is clearly a tightwad

He must be one of those poor foreigners. Wink

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

Sounds like you are co-habiting rather than dating. My advice is be a man! Stop thinking cheap! You should give over all your money and allow her to take over the financial management of your household. Then you won't have to worry about nickels and dimes.

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

posbj wrote:
Sounds like you are co-habiting rather than dating. My advice is be a man! Stop thinking cheap! You should give over all your money and allow her to take over the financial management of your household. Then you won't have to worry about nickels and dimes.

Laughing

that's what most chinese men do after getting married.

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

Nidaye wrote:
poiuytr wrote:
its more a case of whether I am being manipulated a little by not being any the wiser. Maybe I am just being a little paranoid

I don't blame you for asking. Just be aware economic status definitely plays a big factor in partner selection over here. But often times it is really out of necessity, so choose carefully.

Well said! I personally feel that you're being taken advantage of. How long have you guys been dating? If you've been together for less than half a year and now you're paying for 90% of the expenses.....I can kind of understand why Chinese girls would find MOST foreign guys attractive.....especially the white ones....

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Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

The only thing that seems suspicious here is that you bothered to come here and post this question....perhaps answering your own?

If you're doubting her then its a problem, and there's a good chance you have a reason.

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I think we need to know how much she earns before we start making judgements about her. I mean, yeah, if she's earning RMB1500-2000 a month, then I think you're a complete tightwad. If she's earning a normal office jockey's salary, she's not really in a position to help pay for all your meals out - and she wouldn't be eating out anyway if she wasn't with you. Considering this, I don't think it's fair to ask her to help pay for these kinds of meals. Same with all the train tickets, trips etc. She's going on these because of you. It's not as though she'd be able to take such trips if she wasn't with you. And if you asked her to make a contribution towards the rent, a fair proportion of her salary (say, 25%) dedicated to it would end up being such a negligible amount as to not be worth asking for - in my opinion.

However, if she's earning RMB5000+, then you might have a point about how she should be contributing more. So, how much does she earn?

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

Aier2 wrote:
The only thing that seems suspicious here is that you bothered to come here and post this question....perhaps answering your own?

If you're doubting her then its a problem, and there's a good chance you have a reason.

EXACTLY. Your subconcious is working overtime to free you of your captain-save-a-ho ways. It doesn't have to end this way. Save yourself!

http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/gqBTY5Hkfco/

2010 is the year of BlackMan

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

Langfang Vegas wrote:
I think we need to know how much she earns before we start making judgements about her. I mean, yeah, if she's earning RMB1500-2000 a month, then I think you're a complete tightwad. If she's earning a normal office jockey's salary, she's not really in a position to help pay for all your meals out - and she wouldn't be eating out anyway if she wasn't with you. Considering this, I don't think it's fair to ask her to help pay for these kinds of meals. Same with all the train tickets, trips etc. She's going on these because of you. It's not as though she'd be able to take such trips if she wasn't with you. And if you asked her to make a contribution towards the rent, a fair proportion of her salary (say, 25%) dedicated to it would end up being such a negligible amount as to not be worth asking for - in my opinion.

However, if she's earning RMB5000+, then you might have a point about how she should be contributing more. So, how much does she earn?

she is earning between 15k and 22k per month

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

Well holy crap man she absolutely should be contributing!!!

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

Langfang Vegas wrote:
Well holy crap man she absolutely should be contributing!!!

cant agree more.

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

If she's on that kind of money, I reckon she should contribute up to 50% of her income for living expenses (which obviously depends on your total spend). She does what she wants with the other half. That seems fair.

Thing is, however, if she's putting her own money into the pot, she also has a lot more say over how it's spent.

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

posbj wrote:
Sounds like you are co-habiting rather than dating. My advice is be a man! Stop thinking cheap! You should give over all your money and allow her to take over the financial management of your household. Then you won't have to worry about nickels and dimes.

what my grandparents fight over

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

poiuytr wrote:
Langfang Vegas wrote:
I think we need to know how much she earns before we start making judgements about her. I mean, yeah, if she's earning RMB1500-2000 a month, then I think you're a complete tightwad. If she's earning a normal office jockey's salary, she's not really in a position to help pay for all your meals out - and she wouldn't be eating out anyway if she wasn't with you. Considering this, I don't think it's fair to ask her to help pay for these kinds of meals. Same with all the train tickets, trips etc. She's going on these because of you. It's not as though she'd be able to take such trips if she wasn't with you. And if you asked her to make a contribution towards the rent, a fair proportion of her salary (say, 25%) dedicated to it would end up being such a negligible amount as to not be worth asking for - in my opinion.

However, if she's earning RMB5000+, then you might have a point about how she should be contributing more. So, how much does she earn?

she is earning between 15k and 22k per month

WTF? Are you serious?? What the hell kind of serviced apartment are you guys living in that she can't afford to contribute even *part* of the rent?
What 5 star restaurants are you eating at that she needs you to pay for her?

That is NOT a "poor farmer girl who needs her boyfriend's money" salary.
I don't think you're getting taken for a ride but it does sound a bit greedy on her end.

Sometimes I feel it is maybe unbearable always be traditional Chinese girl.

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15 to 22 k? what does she do? thats hella above the average salary for a chinese person

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

wefrucar wrote:
poiuytr wrote:
Langfang Vegas wrote:
I think we need to know how much she earns before we start making judgements about her. I mean, yeah, if she's earning RMB1500-2000 a month, then I think you're a complete tightwad. If she's earning a normal office jockey's salary, she's not really in a position to help pay for all your meals out - and she wouldn't be eating out anyway if she wasn't with you. Considering this, I don't think it's fair to ask her to help pay for these kinds of meals. Same with all the train tickets, trips etc. She's going on these because of you. It's not as though she'd be able to take such trips if she wasn't with you. And if you asked her to make a contribution towards the rent, a fair proportion of her salary (say, 25%) dedicated to it would end up being such a negligible amount as to not be worth asking for - in my opinion.

However, if she's earning RMB5000+, then you might have a point about how she should be contributing more. So, how much does she earn?

she is earning between 15k and 22k per month

WTF? Are you serious?? What the hell kind of serviced apartment are you guys living in that she can't afford to contribute even *part* of the rent?
What 5 star restaurants are you eating at that she needs you to pay for her?

That is NOT a "poor farmer girl who needs her boyfriend's money" salary.
I don't think you're getting taken for a ride but it does sound a bit greedy on her end.

since OP is earning much much more money than she does, maybe the girl thinks that she does not need to contribute? Confused

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Something doesn't ring entirely true here with poiuytr's story. A girl earning 15-22K a month has a good career, is educated etc (unless she's a hooker). I find it hard to believe that someone like that (again, assuming she's not a hooker) is not even a bit independent minded and has absolutely no problem with you paying for pretty much everything.

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

otto wrote:
OP is clearly a tightwad

Bingo!

We have a winner.

Filthy cheapskate.

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

I suspect that OP's girlfriend actually doesn't earn 15-22K/month. That is an uncommonly high salary for a young female to make. And if she was earning that kind of money, it's an open and shut case that hardly needs to be discussed here.

I suspect that she earns a fairly typical RMB2-3000/m salary. In that case, LDS and otto are right - OP is a tightwad.

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

I heard similar stories before....I'm sure it's not only because of the culture difference, but personality.

Actually, you should have talked about that living expenses before you decided to live together. But obviously, it seemed you never thought that could be a problem. However, it really is now.

1st, I think you may have a heart-to-heart talking to her about your concern. And at the same time, you could know if you 2 have different principles or values.

Good Luck!!

P.S. I totally agree with the fairness which can help lead the relationship longer.

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15K and she's not paying?

hahaha, what a whore!!

Re: The money issue when dating a Chinese girl

She's just your girlfriend as long as she can save a lot of money.

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