Is China Ready to home its daughters' foreign husbands?
One of the most singular questions u laowai guys may get from a Chinese GF or female acquantaince who sees a possible relationship between you, will be to implicitly or explicitly ask you if you wanna stay in China for good, or at least for the very long-term.
But Considering the current marrital, citizenship and other restrictions to foreigners by the Chinese Law, I wonder if in the long run marrying in China as foreigner wouldn't be more dauting than just keeping concubinage ; I mean for those who at least have come to find or looking for their sister-souls...
What's your personal opinion/approach?
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Ghostwriter
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Why settle down in China? There are no safetys or guarantees for your family. At all.
I would only marry & have kids etc at home (Sweden), preferably with a Swedish woman.
There are no safety nets here: health insurances, unemployment insurances, legal protection, retirement funds, all kinds of family benefits, rights etc in China.
China will probably never be a functioning welfare state. If i would have a family, i would not have one in China. It would be plain irresponsible of me to settle down here.
As for marriage in China. I think they only want foreigners in China if they can make money out of it. Love just doesn't cross border.
Boubiz
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Hola Ghostwriter
I basically share your point, but the only concern is that mix couples are drastically increasing in China as new phenomenon. Generally, the man is a foreign and the woman is local.I discussed the issue with a few expats, but still their position is not to stay in China, they said they'd rather bring the girl back home than living in China in uncertainty and that building a family should rest a solid social, legal and financial pillars...
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Malyn
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I wouldn't mind staying here for years. In fact I am planning on getting married in China. My gf isn't really keen on moving outside of China, and that's not really a problem as I don't want to move back to my own country. I feel much better here.
After for the insurrance, my work is providing one for me and I applied for another one on my own. So I am covered for almost everything (for life).
The main issue will be the education of the kids. I don't want them to go into the Chinese system which isn't good at all. But I have to think about this.
I believe that the 2 have to make concessions. If the 2 agree to stay in one place than it's fine, but if one want to move whili the other doesn't then there is a problem.
mac
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My career goal is to live, work and retire in China. Preferably in Kunming.
My Chinese gf and I plan to get married next April. We've been partners for over 2 years now. We will most likely get married in Hong Kong as it is easier there then in Malaysia and much esier than trying to get married in China.
Current challenge is my company has ordered me to relocate to Malaysia by the end of August. My gf is okay with this as she sees it as a way to broaden her outlook on the world by living in a forien country for a few years.
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Boubiz
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Career goals keep people moving on a daily basis, but mac, are you really ready to have your children education in the hands of so-called many teachers I met who do not really have teaching acumen? The education system in China still needs reconsidering...Foreign kids being taught in bilingual schools are lost from the beginning as they are not adjusted to a specific system over which to adapt. They will grow up with no special knowledge unless reconducted in major system such as british/american/canadian/ french.... It's true in china they will never fully get this.
For Chinese natives, they use chinese to study a chinese curriculum, so odds to confront locally, but the problems await abroad..
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saroq
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First of all it's not difficult to get married in China. Are you sure your girl's not already married?
Second of all ARE YOU NUTS? Run for the hills buddy. Date them, sleep with them but don't marry them. Once you put that ring on her finger you're in for a whole new world of hurt.
eselaypee
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ha ha ha ha
the horror, the pain, and the alphabet
Langfang Vegas (not verified)
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I agree with the poster above - the education of my kids would be the main reason why I'd leave a country like China to return home.
If you've got the cash (or get the right job), you can send your kids to an international school, where they'll get a great education - however this option is extremely pricey if you're paying out of your own pocket.
Some of the embassies run schools for expat students which are a lot more reasonably priced than an international school. I know the Pakistani embassy runs a school which is based on the British curriculum, and it accepts a quota of non-Pakistani students. I believe there are others, too.
George7
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it's all about money ( or as others put it: social welfare )
too many choices confuse the mind.
mac
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It's a pain in the ass to get married here in China betweenan American and a Chinese national. We have to get her parents to sign off on her getting married! At least that is what I've been told. And yes, she is older than 18.
Positive she is not married.
I was married to a Korean lady for many years. I am knowledgable about international marriages. And that ring on her finger gets her a visa back to the USA.
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David_Bdx
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If you can't even meet her parents and make them sign some paper, are you sure you want to get married ???
Boubiz
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And I don't understand the threatening silence of Chinese girls over such a topic that addresses them directly....YOu girls should also take a Stand; at least to comfort your positions on the issue..It shouldn't be like --come what may-- or is it?
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revol4u
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There are many foreign men who have married Chinese girls and settled down well here.The hurdle is to get the parents to sign on for the idea.I know alot of foreign guys who went to meet their gf's parents and the parents refused the marriage-these were guys from the US,UK and even a couple of Africans/Americans.The reason some of the parents refused is they were afraid of losing their daughter to another country.Some were lucky and after a while the parents reconsidered on being re-assured that they would stay in China and also it helps if the chinese girl stands her ground and tells her parents her choice and decison is final,some parents come around.But it's a huge step to take.For any of you attempting this good luck.Love overcomes everything!
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Nidaye
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You don't need your gf's parents' sign-off to get married here. What you do need is her Hukou book, and to go to the place of her Hukou to register you marriage.
revol4u
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The parents hold the hukou book stupid!and if they refuse what will you do? go to her hometown and steal it while her parents are sleeping?Either way it's important in any culture to get the blessing of the parents first.
C.R.E.A.M-"Cash rules everything around me"
vanilla ice
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i have many laowai guy friends that went out with a hello kitty type that would do anything between the sheets as long as you put up with her parents a couple weeks a year and went to visit some cultural attraction. Then the minute she smells the wedding ceremony she turns into broom hilda. not that is always the case but it can happen. Plus keep in mind that you and the kids and their kids will always have one foot chained to the motherland. chiense dont like to travel or emigrate- see popularity of 'china towns' in all major cities. think carefully...
Boubiz
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Revol4u, I feel your sense, parents blessing is all around important, I wouldn't attempt to break a family tie to endorse a nuptial adventure... And the Hello kitties Vanilla ice mentioned are exactly some of the cases why I decided to post this in the forum... Thanks for your insights anyway, still a lot to share ...
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Boubiz
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And I don't understand the threatening(suspicious) silence of Chinese girls over such a topic on this forum that addresses them directly....
YOu girls should also take a Stand; at least to comfort your positions on the issue..It shouldn't be like --come what may-- or is it ?
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Nidaye
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No, not in all cases - she might've had her hukou transferred through her university or employer, or by purchasing property.
Is the name calling really necessary? Idiot.
mac
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I have meet her parents several times. Both here in Beijing and in her home town. They like me so I don't see a problem in getting them to signoff but it's still a pain in the ass compared to how easy uit is in Hong Kong to get married.
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libertin
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This is more of a legal question than one of romance.
Consider the differences in marital law of different countries.
Your social security protection is independent of your marriage: you can well subscribe to a foreign security scheme and still live in China if you want to. You can well get married abroad and live in China if you want to. If you get married abroad, you'll not need a Hukouben.
Parents hiding the girls passport seems to be a common practice in China. In that case, what's wrong in finding it back? It only shows your determination. All parents everywhere in the world will probable first try to discourage you a little bit to see if you are really determined.
As for the childrens' education, there are quite a lot of foreign schools in China, but only in some very big cities. However, if you want to live in China anyways, why not stick to the Chinese system? At least they'll lern the characters and culture correctly. You can still supplement for the rest.
And Chinese seem to become milionairs without a foreign education, too. Look at all the Chinese students in foreign universities, they are doing rather well.
A foreign husband of a Chinese wife will have to renew his L visa every year. It is very difficult to obtain a D visa.
Prince of Darkness
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As long as you please your Chinese wife and her family there should be bliss and joy for you in China,but you will have to make a huge sacrifice though,at the end of the day love overcomes all else.
"I will always be there for you,by your side,like a shadow,your moon and stars to light your way, and when darkness comes I will be ever brighter and reflect my power and manifest myself to you"-B.C.R.R.(2009- )
shawntryon
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It is supper easy to get married here. My wife and I got it done back in May of 2007. We sat in an office and waited for the lady to get the things ready, she asked a few questions in Chinese and we both said yes, I paid the 9RMB fee, she pasted the pictures and put the stamps on our wedding certificates and then we were done.
Live, love and be happy.
Words of wisdom:
If you are sitting on grandmas knee and she says "Pull my finger", DON'T DO IT no mater how much money she offers ya.
Boubiz
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Shawn, I wish things were that smooth as you described. Many dudes I know are ready to lead a couple life wit their girls but can all of the sudden get discouraged once they realize that it's not just a matter of filling in names between blanks on the white sheet...It's all about going through processes that lead to a stable family with solid foundations for offspring... I would not let my children naturalized Chinese be they excellent at writing character or oral fluency while I know sooner later I will have to leave this country, I 'd better prepare them for what comes next. Language, culture, the morals, etc... are things that are acquired through a sustained social exercise...and you will not make a blind eye at differences that keep you and I complaining on so many things we living here because they are different from what we know, been taught, believe,practiced back in your motherland. cf Chinese law
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the_remedy (not verified)
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To answer the OP:
No. They are not ready. They are way too racist.
villageidiot
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agreed, occidental sexpats have way too much ego problems and are racist to stay for the long term.
US&A =/= amerikkka
The Lizard King
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Man,
F*u*c*k Kunming!
wtf?
laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame...
answer to OP: No. absolutely not.
F*u*c*k Kunming...
wtf?
oh yeah? well, let me ask you this: shut up!
contemporary china = crouching tension, hidden anger.
zhenlai
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agreed, occidental sexpats have way too
muchmany ego problems and are (too) racist to stay for the long term.Just looking out for you kid. I know with your, one major word, vocabulary it is difficult for you to think so far ahead when trying to predict the grammar you will need to complete your sentences.
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Griffin5
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The parents are always happy if you pay them off. Cash, buy them an apartment, something. Remember we're talking about a girl here (which they never really wanted) so the chance of actually being able to profit from her definitely cheers them up.
villageidiot
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mucho gracias. B)
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