So - "two years of work experience" required for a Z Visa. Any way around this?
- Joined: Jun 9th, 2009
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Alright, so I'm a 23 year old graduate fresh out of university. I majored in International Business and Chinese, so I obviously would like to go back to China and continue working on my language skills.
Unfortunately, I'm looking at the Z Visa requirements recently and it seems like (Beijing especially) is getting stricter and stricter about the "two years working experience". My question is: what exactly does this mean? How far can I stretch this?
Let me explain. I have some extensive internship experience and I've also worked in a number of various service jobs. Suppose I found a position in China working for a financial institution. Which of these positions would count toward the two years?
1. Brown Brothers: Paid internship for six months working for a bank in Boston, USA.
2. Shenzhen Kangtuopu: Paid intership for six months working for a tech company in Shenzhen. Worked there illegally while on an L-visa. My job was mostly simple translation and helping the sales team shmooze clients with my Western face, but I technically worked in the Finance dept.
3. Cahill Paralegal: Paid internship for four months doing filing and BS at a mortgage underwriter in the USA.
4. Cashier at Convenience store: In high school for two summers I worked as a cashier, in total six months.
5. Friend with a dummy corp in USA that would cover me: I have a good friend that decided to shell out a thousand bucks in order to incorporate, even though he has no real business. He could cover for me and say that I worked 2 months after graduating.
6. Student Mail Associate: part time work study job that I did for about 5 months.
Which of the above would count? Any of them? Do internships or part-time work count? I obviously would not be able to get a job teaching English or anything, right?
Thanks for the help
coeurdelion
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You will usually get in trouble as soon as the actual date of your degree is less than two years away. If it's not, I guess you could use numbers 1, 3 (if you make your title a "project manager" or something similar) and/or 5 - the rest is either too short or unacceptable in the case of the Chinese one because the authorities won't find a corresponding Z visa.
If you just want to teach English, there's a way around this - yuor employer could use a foreign expert certificate which basically says you're irreplaceable due to your specific qualifications (in this case, being a native speaker). Most professional schools should be able to get this sorted for you.
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Griffin5
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Come here on an L visa, get yourself a job (or if you already have an offer, still come here on an L Visa). When you get here go to a Visa agent (this guy is good - John - 13671198999) and give him all your paperwork. He will probably need an extra 1000 RMB for the person at the Visa office and all your problems will be solved.
We had employees here last year who were initially told that they had to go back ot their home country to apply for Z visa but then John sorted them out in Beijing. It's all about the right people on the job (and money).
Welcome to China.
arias
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Yep, the 2 year requirement post-graduation is real and minimum. As far as I know, and I went through the whole process about 9 months ago.
There are ways around this, just read the above reply.
zhnjg
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A coworker of mine doesn't have two years work experience but he does have a Chinese wife. And a Z visa.
the_remedy (not verified)
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You should get a job before you worry about a Z visa.
Watson
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GO TO TAIWAN, where the government is not paranoid
bigsisjiejie
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I thought all the two years had to be post-graduation experience. If this is the case, none of your experience before your degree counts. The fact that you are only 23 isn't going to help. Unless you had some special skill or combination of skills (none of which is in evidence on your experience list here), where an employer with clout will go to bat for you, I think you are going to have a tough time and particularly this year, compared to previous years.
You need to find the job/employer before you can deal with getting the Z visa. If this means coming to China on a different visa status--as a tourist or studying--in order to locate something--then maybe that is what you need to try.
Prince of Darkness
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It's all about relationships and Guanxi (if I spelt it right)if you know people, who know people you don't even need to spend a dime!
"I will always be there for you,by your side,like a shadow,your moon and stars to light your way, and when darkness comes I will be ever brighter and reflect my power and manifest myself to you"-B.C.R.R.(2009- )
Aier2
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I assume you mean Taiwan province, right?
Wait a sec.....they have a different government in Taiwan province?
I don't get it.
Can someone explain please?
Silky?
Bobby?
Predator
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First get a job / job offer, i think that the foremost requirement. After that you can apply for work permit for other provinces. As far as i know, Shanghai is much easier and faster ( 5 days ).
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Predator
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Aier2
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How about Taiwan province?
mthmchris
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I have a couple Chinese friends in Beijing who are helping me with this, and one of them told me to come over and figure it out while in China. It's frustrating, because a million different people are telling me a million different things. Most people say, "get a good visa agent" or "your workplace should have the relationships so it won't matter"; but a sizable minority of people say exactly the opposite.
I've worked on an L-visa in Shenzhen with absolutely zero problem in 2008, in the six months leading up to the Olympics. Why was I able to do this so effortlessly? Was my company rare in that it didn't mind skirting around certain laws? Was it because Shenzhen is a much more liberal municipality than Beijing, or was it because it was pre-Olympics and things have actually clamped down?
Obviously, I am willing to work wherever people speak Mandarin. Should I give Shenzhen another whirl or roll my dice in Beijing (where I have people that could help me)?
Watson
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They also have different visa rules, different passports, different legislative/judicial system, different currency, and even a different military! Oh yeah, they also have something called elections every 4 years to decide their president. Ya Hoo!
Seriously, OP, if you want to continue to study Chinese and work I do recommend Taiwan, although if you are lazy you won't like learning traditional Chinese.....
And also, IF a well-established and legally registered company WANTS to hire you and give you a Z visa, I doubt there will be a problem. We have foreign interns here at my office working, and they are just out of school.
Tinamt
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If you would like to expirence the standard Mandarin, Beijing is the Best place you should go to. However, as everyone knows that Beijing is the capital of China, the policy is tighter than in other provinces. Applying for a Z visa, you got to reach 24 years old first, but you are only 23 now.
I agree with some suggestions above that you can obtain a L or F visa to entre China. Once you land in China, you start looking for a job. Meantime, you can make your decision which province you would like to stay. After you get a proper job, then you work on your working visa. At that time, that would be easier to your application and you might reach 24 years old as well.
Regarding to your question about 2-year working expirence. None of them that you listed in your first post are counted. The expirence must be obtained after your graduation.You may contact an agent to help you out on this aspect.
xxuscxx
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shoot me a message, i can get one for you for sure...
klukoff
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I wish to obtain a working visa (Z) in Shanghai. I am a German citizen, here on an L visa that is valid until late October, 2009. I have an employer (~45 employees) who wants to sponsor me.
My issue is that I'm 23 and have only ~1.5 years of working experience (graduated in June of 2008). Can anyone recommend a visa agency in Shanghai that can help me (and my company) most effectively argue my case?
Thanks!
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