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Has Environmentalism Become a Religion?

The following is from a blog, but it covers a labor judgement in the U.K. where a person's environmental beliefs were given the same status as religious beliefs.

It's Official: Environmental Idiocy Now A Protected Religion In The UK
http://minx.cc/?post=292012

In another item, there is a TV show called "Whale Wars", where a ship called the Sea Shepherd, captained by Paul Watson, try to hassle and stop Japanese whaling in the Antarctic. At first it was interesting to watch the risks the captain took trying to block whale hunting by putting his ship between the Japanese and whales. In the last episode, the Sea Shepherd collides with (according the the Japanese rams) the Japanese whaling ship. Watching the show, I have to agree with the Japanese since the Captain is knowingly running his ship over and over again within yards of the Japanese in the middle of the ocean. By any shipping safety standards, he's putting everyone in danger. The captain justifies his actions because he is trying to save whales, a.k.a. his environmental beliefs.

I'm not debating environmental issues here, just the extreme nature of some environmentalists. I do believe many people have adopted "the environment" as a pseudo religious doctrine.

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Re: Has Environmentalism Become a Religion?

You're talking about Captain Paul Watson.

This was one of the founding members of Greenpeace.

He left or was drummed out of greenpeace back in the 70's/80's when they changed their agenda more from "protecting endangered species" to "protecting their bottom line financially and maximising profits".

Japanese whaling ships routinely flout international laws governing ocean sanctuaries as well as various countries soverign economic/exclusion zones and which species they "harvest for science".

Paul Watson is a crusader, a man driven by his passions.

Whether you agree with his politics/methods or not, at very least you have to admire him in these days of b.s.-diplomacy and political compromise behind closed doors, for having the balls to get out where he and his crews can manifest a immediate change to the situation and follow thru' their convictions.

If you want the epitome of hippocracy and cowardice, check out greenpeace, who send out ships to the whaling areas just long enough to snap some tragic poster pictures that will ensure their incomes for another year before they burn a B-line for home.

In the case of this individual, Paul Watson, it's not so much a case of religion, its a case of a man singularly executing his convictions thru' to conclusion.

Re: Has Environmentalism Become a Religion?

When people violate the law, they are accountable for their actions. When a person put others in harm's way, or even threaten them with death, they no longer have an excuse of "passion". Captain Wilson knowingly and repeatedly put people's lives in danger. I have no admiration for him or his actions.

By extending your view, I should be admiring Islamic terrorists. Islamic terrorists are just following their "passion" or "convictions thru' to conclusion" by strapping on a suicide bomb to murder innocents in a hotel, a bar, or the World Trade Center.

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Re: Has Environmentalism Become a Religion?

It is a contradiction proposition, sometimes in our life, we often need to hurt the other part for protect one part. How can we comment on the western's invasion to the poor countries in from 16 century to 19 century. For the money purpose, they can sacrifice the principle of religion and morality.
Maybe the way of the captain is not very legal, but compare with the savage ways of many people killed the marine organism, the way of captain is trifle.

Re: Has Environmentalism Become a Religion?

The captain should be using torpedoes, get the job done properly.... the Japanese are out of line!

Re: Has Environmentalism Become a Religion?

Herbie wrote:
The captain should be using torpedoes, get the job done properly.... the Japanese are out of line!

You are advocating violence and possible murder?

I object to the Japanese whaling.
But ramming your ship into another ship in the middle of the Antarctic Ocean is not a protest. It is physically endangering another ship and its members. It is a crime under all international treaties.

Just remember that violence gets violence back. The Japanese have a right to defend their lives and their ship. If violence is acceptable for the protesters, I can foresee the Japanese sinking the protest ship at first sight as an acceptable way to protect themselves.

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Re: Has Environmentalism Become a Religion?

Laughing don't take everything so direct, of course torpedoes are a step too far. But then again " Has Environmentalism Become a Religion?" is a heavily loaded question anyway. It should be "Are some Environment groups turning it into a Religion?", in which case the answer would be clearly "yes".

Al Gore is setting himself up nicely to carbon tax even your hamster's farts policies, he personally stands to make countless millions if not billions personally and while I initially took the guy seriously, he's simply a conman.

Pollution is a very real threat and the carbon taxers have no worries with the slight slander of "new religion" because that way their double speak gets all the little men to stop protesting outside places like oil refineries that are positioned in the middle of wildlife reserves.

Paul Watson didn't kill anyone, didn't sink the ship and no harm actually came to the whalers. Perhaps he isn't some wicked and twisted tree hugger that is hell bent on global mayhem but is just an individual that quite rightly thinks whales are an amazing animal that doesn't deserve to be hacked to pieces while still alive so some dwarfs can have a fancy dinner.

Re: Has Environmentalism Become a Religion?

Herbie wrote:
Laughing don't take everything so direct, of course torpedoes are a step too far. But then again " Has Environmentalism Become a Religion?" is a heavily loaded question anyway. It should be "Are some Environment groups turning it into a Religion?", in which case the answer would be clearly "yes".

This just in from the U.K. .... Surprise

Climate change belief given same legal status as religion
By Stephen Adams and Louise Gray
Published: 03 Nov 2009
U.K. Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6494213/Climate-change-belief...

An executive has won the right to sue his employer on the basis that he was unfairly dismissed for his green views after a judge ruled that environmentalism had the same weight in law as religious and philosophical beliefs.

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Re: Has Environmentalism Become a Religion?

Yes and in this case, he put his money where his mouth is by making his house eco-friendly etc... The right to survive should be given the same right.

Re: Has Environmentalism Become a Religion?

Captain Paul Watson's a f-ing pirate. (The New Yorker had a good article on him a few years back)

Anyway, I'm with the Japanese on this one. Let the Japs hunt their whales. It's not illegal, and is part of their culture. They say whale meat tastes like bung hole, but who cares, as long they like it then whatever.

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

- VP

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taoqibao wrote:
Captain Paul Watson's a f-ing pirate.

He's not the one firing guns at boats, its the other way round... they shot at him. Perhaps you should look up the word "pirate".

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Captain Watson isn't a pirate? He didn't ram their ship? I see. Wait a second, aren't there laws against that? How would you define 'pirate'? Jack Sparrow? And the Japanese should have shot to kill. OK, that might be a bit harsh. Perhaps just a pressurized sperm canon next time, you know, for that whole bukake effect? That would surely hold em off. Unless of course Watson and his crew are a bunch of homos, in which case they'd be lining up for more. A boatload of gayers chasing a Japanese whaling ship for more bukake? I don't know.

Oh and the pacific islanders should be free to practice cannibalism. I figure if the poms can hunt the fox...

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

- VP

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"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

- VP

Re: Has Environmentalism Become a Religion?

Herbie wrote:
taoqibao wrote:
Captain Paul Watson's a f-ing pirate.

He's not the one firing guns at boats, its the other way round... they shot at him. Perhaps you should look up the word "pirate".

There is a show called "Whale Wars", shot on the Sea Shepherd. In the last episode Captain Watson decides to prevent a whale being loaded onto the Japanese whale ship. The Japanese had only water cannons, a.k.a. water hoses. No "firing guns". Captain Watson intentionally runs the Sea Shepherd into the Japanese whale ship. It was done on the high seas in dangerous freezing waters. It endangered lives on both ships and was definitely a criminal act. He and his crew were arrested when they docked in Australia. Not sure if Captain Watson is going to be around for a new TV season or spend it in an Aussie prison.

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Re: Has Environmentalism Become a Religion?

yo!
so i started reading this thread and then stopped
because it got waaaaaaaaaay too serious considering the silliness of the question.

i would just like to say
there is absolutely no religion that makes you look as
stupendously laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame as environmentalism does.
why?
because you aint doing nothing and you feel like you fighting a battle.
people are doing what they gotta do and will keep doing it until they gotta stop.

Cowboy

and for further insight to the whaling issue i refer all of you to the recent south park episode.
Laughing

oh yeah? well, let me ask you this: shut up!

Re: Has Environmentalism Become a Religion?

1. Try to draw a line around what is or isn't a religion... you can't.
Belief in the environment (that has given rise to our species and all the biology on earth) as something deep or "spiritual" is pretty hard to argue right?
i mean if we keep giving passes to things that should be clearly labeled as mythology...

like i said, impossible to draw a line here.

2. The methods of this Captain Watson are at least questionable, of course he is endangering the lives of the men/women on board both ships,
But:
too often the lives of other animals and other living things are valued as nothing, as if they are resources; this belief does not fit with the modern world... we do owe them respect, at least some...

these type of environmentalists simply view them with the same respect as other humans, which personally I feel makes pretty good moral sense...

and Yes, you can make a case for "traditional ways" but really where do you draw a line between the Japanese, and native Aleutians, or Canadians, or Peruvians, or Chinese, or whoever else? it's all just hunting... just with different tools...

And try telling me that the oceans are not overfished... or over-whaled...
have you looked at the population growth diagram of the last 500 or 1000 or 1000 years? there are 6 billion of us.
we beat nature a long time ago, and we are no longer a natural part of it, and it's time we realize that and act a lot more carefully.

What China really needs:
- Bill Nye, "the Science Guy", to come teach them basic Science.
- Jared Diamond, Dan Brown, and Spencer Wells to teach them about world/human history.
- MLK and Gandhi and Einstein to teach them about what being human means.

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Look out Japanese whalers Laughing

The bullet-proof 'Batmobile' set to wreak havoc on the Japanese whaling fleets

Daily mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1227503/Pictured-The-S...

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