About 10 years ago Chinese was being fooled by kiss-western-ass magazine that western are noble high educated people. So no matter what job you did in China, you were respected and admired. There are not so many private language schools at that time, foreigner English teachers were normally hired by colleges, recruit process was serious and English teacher would get more respect.

As we have seen, more and more people found this gold mine which profits much with less investment. Now it is developing in this way. Also Chinese have realized that there is actually no big difference between Chinese and western, from their experience with non-Chinese in abroad or at home. Although there is a lot very good teachers who have high education and charming personality, teaching English is just a way to make living, not a noble job. It returns the position where it should be.

When I had German course year ago, we kicked out two unqualitfied teachers in first weeks, although the two German guys' blue eyes and blond hair are so qualified that they could pass recruitment of SS. The final best teacher is a woman who looks like Turkish, but speaks perfect German and teaches professionally.

So, if you are Chinese students, you have right to select right teacher, since you have paid thousand yuan tuition. If you are qualified teacher, please try to teach in school with good reputation, which does not fool student or teachers. For agent or most language schools, i have no words. They are just businessman chasing for profit.

From your headline, I take it you're not an English teacher???

Though I tend to agree with what you say. Among the foreigners here with few to no redeeming qualities, the vast majority of them do seem to be English teachers.

It seems ideal for someone in their early 20s. People aren't exactly expected to be valuable contributors to society at that age anyway, and they're too young to have developed much of a successful career. So, a slacker's life is acceptable. And the salary's not a turnoff; in fact it might even be appealing compared to what their other options are.

But the older you get, the less acceptable it should be to you, and the less respected you'll be by your age peers. If you're over 40 and still teaching English, in most cases (not all) you ought to be somewhat embarrassed.

The major exception would be people who are trained, experienced, qualified teachers who do it because they consider it their life's vocation. Not just because it's an easy gig to get.

What a ridiculously pretentious thing to say.

Could you show your insecurity more for us?

I hope that was just an attempt to insult me, because otherwise there really is little hope for you OLD man.

It's only in China that I've encountered this extremely snobbish attitude towards English teaching. I've taught in a few different countries and I've never, ever encountered such prissy, petty small-mindedness towards English teachers.

When I started, over ten years ago, it wasn't so popular, and it was considered a noble profession. I've taught in England, and besides the lack of respect teachers get from students, which is more indicative of modern society, there is no stigma attached to being a teacher. You are respected by your peers.

As for the age thing, yes there are travelling bums who just slum it around the world, pissing it up and generally being lazy, irresponsible c**ts. The younger ones are the problem, not the older ones. Most of the teachers in my school are older than me. there's nothing to be ashamed of being over 40 and being a teacher. most teachers back home are well over 40. I don't see the problem.

When out and about around town, when people ask you what you do, due to snobbish, insecure c**ts, it's become kind of shameful to say you're an English teacher. Why? Looked down on by office monkeys who take orders from Chinese men in beige suits and plastic slip-on shoes. It's quite bizarre.

Another trend I've noticed is that former English teachers also are guilty of the same thing because they've snagged an office job, writing copy or proof-reading. how is that a more lofty position to be looking down on teachers?

Also, on this forum in particular, I've noticed that it's *only* the teachers who reveal their occupation. The rest just snipe from the sidelines without ever revealing what amazing contribution to society they make.

Also the teachers are the more articulate and intelligent posters here.

It's just greedy Chinese businessmen and idiotic, unqualified white imbeciles who are devaluing the profession, so have a crack at them, eh?

Nobody thinks there's anything wrong with the profession itself.

The problem, obviously, is that the worst form of social misfit can easily get an English teaching job in China as long as they have Caucasian features.

Is there anyone who disagrees with that fact? That there is a disproportionate number of lowlifes that are teaching English in China?

It's these people that, sadly, are disgracing the profession. Teaching is actually one of the the most noble professions in the world, IMO, more worthy of respect than doctors, lawyers and the like. Because the latter do it for the money alone as often as not, while certainly no one could accuse teachers of that.

And you can't even really blame the lowlifes. It's not like they have a lot of other options. Blame the hiring standards of the schools. That will have to change here before legitimate, qualified teachers regain the status and respect that they deserve.

What degree do you have Monkey King?

Do you even have one Mr Trump? Mr Chinese business tycoon.

OK so no dice on the age and degree then.

OK.

Here's mine if you want to stalk me Bachelor of Laws, age 44.

Robert, normal people aren't like you. They're not interested in stalking people from the internet.

What are you implying?

That it's only teachers that are f-ing loads of Chinese sluts?

I only stopped teaching because I was offered a job that corresponds with my university major. (stalk stalk stalk!!!)

I loved teaching, and I'll probably end up doing it again someday.

And despite what you may think, the scumbags are on the decline. The schools I worked for in the past required degrees and you were observed/evaluated on a regular basis. You couldn't turn up smelling of booze, unshaven, red-eyed and throw together a phony lesson. You had to submit lesson plans and if you couldn't manage your class properly you were not going to have your contract renewed.

The schools that hire degenerates, Africans, Swedes, etc, are the low end places that can't even supply their teachers with a visa because they are on the edge of running an illegal business.

The scumbags bumming around town tutoring are scraping by, smell of old clothes and live in shoddy apartments. They have to pay agents to arrange their visas for them and they are technically "working" illegally. One day they will all be gone, and we can heave a sigh of relief.

I know two teachers who both very qualified with good degrees.
One 47 and the other 52.
The first is hooked on Crystal meth and uses it on regular basis's, the other is Heroin addict and i have seen him come out the bar toilets and throw syringe into the river.( he got a slap for that btw)
He also receiving treatment from the hospital to try and curb is habit.
They also both like to hit "K'.
There both very respected at there place of work and no one is none the wiser, all thou I know the one moves around a lot when he gets rumbled.(doesn't pay is dealers bills).
One also likes the young girls.
Now thats just a sample, theres a lot more I see prop the bars up.
There all respectable, there all good teachers.
But there seems to be a major blind eye going on and no one actual checking, mainly because every one is concerned about profits and the paper work being correct.
I find a lot of the younger lads seems to have less of a problem, they value life more then waist it on drugs.
So older age don't = more respectable.
We all know the state of the Country's most of us originate from, and those people wouldn't get a job there teaching.
Pretty dam sure if the parents knew they wouldn't be chucking there hard earned money at the schools either.
In the US I read people getting thrown out of there jobs on a regular basics for failing monthly drugs tests.
There probably the same people who are reading all this adverts in there own country's about a new career in China as a teacher.
So again its a lack of doing anything right by the Chinese.
On another note one of the above respectable teachers was crying that he applied for a job in Shanghai and was pissed of at the amount of questions he was asked, the fact hes got to do multiple interviews and make declarations that he did none of the above.
So at least some places in Shanghai have wised up.

You have mental problems.

You are obsessed with several men on this forum.

If you could only see yourself from an outside perspective, even you would be embarrassed.

Do you think for one moment that how you behave on this forum is appropriate by even the lowest standards?

Now, repeat yourself, ad infinitum. I'm off to interact with some real people.

"KZ blah blah blah, rape, blah blah blah, I'm a lawyer, blah blah blah."

The record is skipping, Robert.

Haha, you have indoctrinated David Tree, hey take him, then you will have two monkeys.

Someone is obviously jealous of English teachers here to start such a stupid topic. There are bad and good workers in all fields! Yes I am a teacher here and no not anyone who can speak English can do it. It is very hard work, you need a special personality and the ability to make learning English fun and interesting. Yes maybe anyone can get hired, but they will not last long if they are not good at it.

As for they hire anyone that is BS. I had to bring my college diploma and show it to my boss before I was hired. I think most if not all the of postions I have seen advertised here always ask for at least a college diploma and yes not everyone with a college diploma is a genius but they at least proved they can get up everyday and applied themselves for four years or more and earned a degree. Some of you make it sound like every loser in the U.S. or other country just come here and teaches English. Not true at all, those losers stay at home and do nothing, no way they would have the ability to move to a country like China and survive without being educated and somewhat work driven. They would much rather just sit at home and collect welfare before coming here.

Next the schools are the ones responsible for hiring good teachers, not the other way around. So if you are saying English teachers here are mostly bad and lazy then it is the fault of stupid Chinese for hiring them. My schools like my work, my students like me and parents often ask me to tutor their children one on one. Age also has nothing to do with it, actually the older the better because they are more likely to be interested in their jobs and take the teaching part more seriously other than the young 20 somethings who are just looking to get enough money to go to San Li Tun every night.

I am not a teacher in the U.S., it was just a great opportunity to experience something different, improve my Chinese and learn more about another culture. Any Chinese would love to be able to come to the U.S. to teach Chinese, make a good salary and experience a different lifestyle.

As I said before, it is so easy to sit there and see some happy English teacher and say he or she is stupid and lazy, that is just jealousy in its purest form. The only onces complaining about them are the ones who have crappy jobs and lives and only find enjoyment by pissing on others.

I am happy to be here, I am not going anywhere, I am 40 and proud of what I do, haha, kiss my ass complainers!

I doubt this situation is unique to China. I know of guys teaching in Japan who were basically just using it as a source of income while they lived it up large, enjoying the delights that were on offer.

English teaching barely qualifies as a profession does it in most cases? Is it really a "profession" if you can be qualified to do it in a couple of weekend courses?

People like Alex that clearly take it very seriously and responsibly are different to many I would say.

My mates that have been English teachers here all took the job because it's all they could get. Hardly a reason to instill confidence is it.