Hi, folks, sorry to post the thread here in hopes for a quicker response.
Most Chinese youth tend to pronounce the phrase 'last year' by blending the two as 'lass cheer'. But someone told me it should be 'lass jeer'. Is that right?
Only if you have been drinking or some kind of American homey...try "Last Year"
Men of all sorts take a pride to gird at me: the brain of this foolish-compounded clay, man, is not able to invent anything that tends to laughter, more than I invent or is invented on me.
If you put emphasis on the final letter as kiwuk suggested it matters. If you want to be lazy and let it flow into one, it doesn't matter so much.
If I say any of these in my 'Queen's English' voice there's a big difference.
In Aussie drawl it dusnmadasomuch.
Gedadogupya!
Sometimes the same is different, but mostly, it's the same.
I like to pronounce it as las-teer as most Americans do. Same thing as in 'oppor-tu-nity', not oppor-chu-nity like people here in China would do it. Is that kind of 'ch' sound British English?
This pronunciation - /las tyear/ - is called 'connected speech' and all non-brain damaged English speakers use it, American or no. Check out the BBC's learning English videos; according to them, the British use this too. It is common in all spoken English. And the British even use the schwa sound!!! OMG!!
(Of course, what does the BBC know about spoken English?)
If you speak like another poster here suggests, then you will sound either like a pedant, a moron, or a Chinese student trying to speak English and pronouncing every freaking letter (throw in non-native intonation for good measure).
"A disarmed populace learns to knuckle under."
-- javajoe, or was it Charlton Heston?
Standards have dropped all around.Alas even the BBC is not the beacon it once was.
chyh: just get the biggest wad of gum you can cram in your mouth, chew or chaw away while talking and your English should approximate to what you and Jordean aspire to.
Men of all sorts take a pride to gird at me: the brain of this foolish-compounded clay, man, is not able to invent anything that tends to laughter, more than I invent or is invented on me.
Standards have dropped all around.Alas even the BBC is not the beacon it once was.
Did you actually check out the BBC website? These people are speaking RP, "high English", and they STILL use connected speech.
kiwuk wrote:
chyh: just get the biggest wad of gum you can cram in your mouth, chew or chaw away while talking and your English should approximate to what you and Jordean aspire to.
Of course this is the typical response of the pedant, who ignores the way language actually functions in an attempt to shape the linguistic world according to his own lights. I will guarantee that even Oxbridge grads do not speak the way you seem to think they do. Giving full emphasis to the stop at the end of every word would make your speech sound clipped, like some bizarre voice synthesizer. IF that is the sort of preposterous English you actually want to speak, for whatever unfathomable reason, then more power to you.
However, only computers, pedants and morons speak this way. It is not a matter of "standards", has nothing to do with chewing gum, etc. It is certainly NOT good English to pronounce every letter when you speak. What twaddle.
"A disarmed populace learns to knuckle under."
-- javajoe, or was it Charlton Heston?
OP, compare sound files on the VOA's "Special English" program, where they ponderously and laboriously pronounce every single syllable, with the audio on NPR broadcasts, where most speakers are relatively accent-neutral, and whose speech flows naturally. (A lot of Chinese teachers of English think the VOA is swell. Ecch.)
Fluent means just that, a fluent speaker's language flows like water. It is not broken into staccato bursts with a break at the end of each word to fully enunciate the last letter.
Would you rather your speech sounded like a mellifluous brook, or a nasty drip-drip-dripping water torture?
"A disarmed populace learns to knuckle under."
-- javajoe, or was it Charlton Heston?
Scholars of the English language have no issue with 'connected speech'. It is simply the way people speak. Even educated people do it and are not ashamed.
I would agree with the above post on one point: one should exercise care in expressing oneself. A good place to begin is to eschew profanity, and instead find a more precise and appropriate word. English has lots of words that you can use express your ideas, without resorting to profane expressions.
No sh*t!
"A disarmed populace learns to knuckle under."
-- javajoe, or was it Charlton Heston?
Hi, folks, thank you all for the replies. No personal attacks please.
To sum up, is 'lass cheer' being pronounced majorly by Chinese learners acceptable or not?
Almost all universities in China teach students to pronounce it as lass cheer, while I know the American way to be lass teer or lass yeer, which I prefer.
This is probably the first and last time I will ever agree with Herojuana
I loathe and detest books with contractions that purport to teach the English Language, wanna, gonna, wassup???????
FFS Yous wanna be a homy or edumicated?
Enunciation is now a non- PC crime. By doing so we discriminate against our cuzzie-bros?
Men of all sorts take a pride to gird at me: the brain of this foolish-compounded clay, man, is not able to invent anything that tends to laughter, more than I invent or is invented on me.
Well I was wrong once but then I found I was mistaken?
Men of all sorts take a pride to gird at me: the brain of this foolish-compounded clay, man, is not able to invent anything that tends to laughter, more than I invent or is invented on me.
kiwuk
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
Only if you have been drinking or some kind of American homey...try "Last Year"
Men of all sorts take a pride to gird at me: the brain of this foolish-compounded clay, man, is not able to invent anything that tends to laughter, more than I invent or is invented on me.
wave
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
If you said either one to me I would probably not know the difference. Unless you are a complete mumble mouth muthauker.
Sometimes the same is different, but mostly, it's the same.
bigsmile
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
or last tear?
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wave
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
If you put emphasis on the final letter as kiwuk suggested it matters. If you want to be lazy and let it flow into one, it doesn't matter so much.
If I say any of these in my 'Queen's English' voice there's a big difference.
In Aussie drawl it dusnmadasomuch.
Gedadogupya!
Sometimes the same is different, but mostly, it's the same.
chyh
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
Thanks a lot for all the replies.
I like to pronounce it as las-teer as most Americans do. Same thing as in 'oppor-tu-nity', not oppor-chu-nity like people here in China would do it. Is that kind of 'ch' sound British English?
Jordean
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
This pronunciation - /las tyear/ - is called 'connected speech' and all non-brain damaged English speakers use it, American or no. Check out the BBC's learning English videos; according to them, the British use this too. It is common in all spoken English. And the British even use the schwa sound!!! OMG!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/grammar/pron/progs/pro...
(Of course, what does the BBC know about spoken English?)
If you speak like another poster here suggests, then you will sound either like a pedant, a moron, or a Chinese student trying to speak English and pronouncing every freaking letter (throw in non-native intonation for good measure).
"A disarmed populace learns to knuckle under."
-- javajoe, or was it Charlton Heston?
kiwuk
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
Standards have dropped all around.Alas even the BBC is not the beacon it once was.
chyh: just get the biggest wad of gum you can cram in your mouth, chew or chaw away while talking and your English should approximate to what you and Jordean aspire to.
Men of all sorts take a pride to gird at me: the brain of this foolish-compounded clay, man, is not able to invent anything that tends to laughter, more than I invent or is invented on me.
Jordean
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
Did you actually check out the BBC website? These people are speaking RP, "high English", and they STILL use connected speech.
Of course this is the typical response of the pedant, who ignores the way language actually functions in an attempt to shape the linguistic world according to his own lights. I will guarantee that even Oxbridge grads do not speak the way you seem to think they do. Giving full emphasis to the stop at the end of every word would make your speech sound clipped, like some bizarre voice synthesizer. IF that is the sort of preposterous English you actually want to speak, for whatever unfathomable reason, then more power to you.
However, only computers, pedants and morons speak this way. It is not a matter of "standards", has nothing to do with chewing gum, etc. It is certainly NOT good English to pronounce every letter when you speak. What twaddle.
"A disarmed populace learns to knuckle under."
-- javajoe, or was it Charlton Heston?
Jordean
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
OP, compare sound files on the VOA's "Special English" program, where they ponderously and laboriously pronounce every single syllable, with the audio on NPR broadcasts, where most speakers are relatively accent-neutral, and whose speech flows naturally. (A lot of Chinese teachers of English think the VOA is swell. Ecch.)
Fluent means just that, a fluent speaker's language flows like water. It is not broken into staccato bursts with a break at the end of each word to fully enunciate the last letter.
Would you rather your speech sounded like a mellifluous brook, or a nasty drip-drip-dripping water torture?
"A disarmed populace learns to knuckle under."
-- javajoe, or was it Charlton Heston?
jo_jo2
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
MushMouth?

herojuana
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
Enunciate, you f-ing monkey.
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herojuana
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
I'm sorry but it just really hacks me off when people start making these little fallacies in the English language.
"Wanna" "'c'mon" "gonna"... I hate this kind of mushmouthed mumbling horse sh*t.
Is it so hard to speak like an educated person if you're educated? And if you're not, can't you pretend?
We have enough contractions already to facilitate ease of speech.
Don't start making up new sh*t especially when it isn't even your mother tongue.
I suck at Chinese, I admit that, so I don't purport to alter the language, I'm constantly apologizing for how sh*t I am at it.
You should do the same of maybe try shutting the f*** up.
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ReneeWine
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
Last year.
Jordean
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
OP, 'connected speech' and 'mush-mouthed'-ness (a word?) are not the same thing. Check out the BBC, or this website:
http://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/sounds/case-studies/received-pronuncia...
Scholars of the English language have no issue with 'connected speech'. It is simply the way people speak. Even educated people do it and are not ashamed.
I would agree with the above post on one point: one should exercise care in expressing oneself. A good place to begin is to eschew profanity, and instead find a more precise and appropriate word. English has lots of words that you can use express your ideas, without resorting to profane expressions.
No sh*t!
"A disarmed populace learns to knuckle under."
-- javajoe, or was it Charlton Heston?
chyh
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
Hi, folks, thank you all for the replies. No personal attacks please.
To sum up, is 'lass cheer' being pronounced majorly by Chinese learners acceptable or not?
Almost all universities in China teach students to pronounce it as lass cheer, while I know the American way to be lass teer or lass yeer, which I prefer.
herojuana
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
A personal attack denotes that one knows who one is addressing.
There's nothing personal about an online, public forum unless one takes the initiative to stalk the person they are interacting with.
Nothing personal about it, f***face.
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wave
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
Touchy, touchy big guy.
Sometimes the same is different, but mostly, it's the same.
herojuana
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
Obviously I'm joking, you think I take this sh*t seriously, you moustachioed pig f-er?
hahahaha
Rerax, guy.
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kiwuk
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
This is probably the first and last time I will ever agree with Herojuana
I loathe and detest books with contractions that purport to teach the English Language, wanna, gonna, wassup???????
FFS Yous wanna be a homy or edumicated?
Enunciation is now a non- PC crime. By doing so we discriminate against our cuzzie-bros?
Men of all sorts take a pride to gird at me: the brain of this foolish-compounded clay, man, is not able to invent anything that tends to laughter, more than I invent or is invented on me.
herojuana
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
You should agree with me more often, I'm always right.
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kiwuk
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
Well I was wrong once but then I found I was mistaken?
Men of all sorts take a pride to gird at me: the brain of this foolish-compounded clay, man, is not able to invent anything that tends to laughter, more than I invent or is invented on me.
iztel
Re: Last year pronounced as ' lass cheer ' or 'lass jeer'?
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