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Hampson English won't give me MY money back!!!

Beware of Hampson English!!!

Hampson English held 1500rmb for me when I first started working for them, stating that I would get this money back after completing my 6 month contract.

The 6 month contract is now up, and they WILL NOT GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK!!!!

The person in charge is VERY unprofessional and will not return my e-mails or answer my questions.

If anyone has had the same problem with this company, and has tips on how to handle the situation, please let me know.

As for now, I will say...DO NOT WORK FOR HAMPSON ENGLISH!
They are dishonest, unprofessional and do not abide by the contracts that they create.


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I will say what has been said here before, employees get paid, employers pay employees, so why would anyone agree to have 1500rmb withheld from them at the start of their new job? I will never work for any company asking for a deposit for me to work for them, they got it all wrong. Once they told you they would hold the 1500 you should have said no thanks, see ya! and went on to the next job, hundreds of English jobs here, don't let them control the situation.

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Patty01 wrote:
Beware of Hampson English!!!

Hampson English held 1500rmb for me when I first started working for them, stating that I would get this money back after completing my 6 month contract.

The 6 month contract is now up, and they WILL NOT GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK!!!!

The person in charge is VERY unprofessional and will not return my e-mails or answer my questions.

If anyone has had the same problem with this company, and has tips on how to handle the situation, please let me know.

As for now, I will say...DO NOT WORK FOR HAMPSON ENGLISH!
They are dishonest, unprofessional and do not abide by the contracts that they create.

Never heard of that place, but in my experience I have found that when someone is trying to rip you off the best method to deal with it is by using or appearing to use violence.

What pretext are they using to keep your money?

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

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If you work for 120rmb an hour this is what you should expect!

Men of all sorts take a pride to gird at me: the brain of this foolish-compounded clay, man, is not able to invent anything that tends to laughter, more than I invent or is invented on me.

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Initiate an arbitration to defend your rights! I'm a PRC lawyer and can help you on this. You can reach me by 13522201801. My name is Alex. Good luck!

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i think alot of the school are franchised not all Hampson school will do this, which one have you had the problem with?

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All this cheapskate language centres in Beijing who tell teachers they withold salary until you leave get short shrift from me. Its Bye . Cheats and nothing else.

All is not lost, yet

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The problem is with the Hampson headquarters.

I taught at the school in Sanyuanqiao and in CBD.

It is the guy in charge of the foreign teachers in Beijing that is completely unhelpful and unwilling to help with the situation.

I even heard that another foreign worker got fired because he helped a teacher get their deposit back.

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What kind of visa are you on Patty?

Send me a PM and give me more info, if you are interested in having this looked into.

A very smart man wrote:

Remember, the courage to be wrong is paramount in importance to the ability to be right.

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I started working at Hampson in Chengdu in March and they seemed very nice when I went in for an interview but the supervisor pressured me into signing a contract then & there even though I still hadn’t given the due notice at my old job. I started doing demo classes, which are not fun. You are told that you have a demo class, so you turn up & the set time & wait for the potential student to come (which can be up to an hour late, which happened to me one day) and then after the course consultant has shown them around the school to show off their certificates, facilities, environment & supply of foreign teachers, you sit down & try to win the student. This is done by various methods depending on the student’s age & level. The student will probably have a demo with another teacher as well, so that they can pick who they liked best. I was asked to do demo classes for students who were not within my area of expertise (I teach children) or who wanted class at a time I couldn’t teach due to my schedule, so it was often a waste of time.

If a student decides they like you, you have a class scheduled without being consulted. If you can’t do this time, then problems occur. The course consultant/supervisor/manager might ask you to do the first class at this time & then it can be changed the week after. I did this once & then when I asked when the class would be changed to, I was told that it wasn’t good to change the time after the classes had began (despite what they had previously told me) & that it should stay at the same time.

I have taught one of my students for about 2 months now and she still doesn’t have the textbook. I ask twice weekly for the textbook to be given to her but they don’t have any spare or try to find a record of what books the student has or they forget or it’s given to someone else. This student has paid a lot of money and she doesn’t even have a textbook yet.

I have been asked to do a demo class when I have a current student scheduled to teach. I’ve refused to do the demo as I don’t want to be late for the class or keep the student waiting. It seems the school doesn’t have the same concerns or professionalism regarding their paid up students as I do.

Twice, I’ve been in my normal classroom on a Sunday, which is quite busy and have been either getting ready to start a class in a few minutes or in class and the manager or supervisor has got into an argument with a teacher in the classroom. This disrupted my class and was carried out in front of other teachers, students and parents and I was asked to move to a different classroom to teach rather than the people involved in the argument move to the slightly more private office to carry on the discussion and keep it away from everyone else in the school.

The manager/supervisor/course consultants sometimes stand outside the classrooms to listen to what the teachers are chatting to each other about & then report the details back to management.

I have taught children for 4 years now and find that the best way to teach them is with flashcards, teaching aids, stickers, balloons etc, anything to make the class as interesting & as varied as possible for them and to help the play and have fun whilst learning English. There is no textbook for very young students (I teach 2 & 3 year olds) and only a few small animal flashcards, which will only get you so far. I have had to supply my own teaching tools to teach to the standard I expect as the school won’t buy a few simple supplies. You have access to printer paper (sometimes used), coloured pens, 1 Ikea standing whiteboard (good for younger children), building blocks, alphabet soft floor tiles, 5 stool, a few laptop sized whiteboards & you’ll be lucky to find any whiteboard pens that actually work – that’s all. This is not enough for a 1 on 1 weekly 50 minute class with a 2 or 3 year old. I have bought different sized balls, hammers, hands, dice, stickers, balloons, flashcards, my own worksheets and other materials, which have been standard in other schools I have taught in and should be supplied at a school that charges their students so much money.

I was shocked by the treatment of the female foreign teacher who was attacked by the manager in public (in the main reception with course consultants, teachers, students & parents standing by). That such an incident occurred in the first place is almost beyond belief, but it did and what happened afterwards is almost as bad. The girl was fired and the manager was on a flight to Hainan for his holiday a few days later. No one at the school talked to the teachers about it or reassured us or told us that the manager had been dually punished. The teachers who backed up the teacher were then treated badly by having their reputation slandered by the manager/supervisor/course consultant to parents so that students changed teachers.

There is a lot more to say about this school but I’m sure someone else will be able to add their own experiences to this. I have handed in my notice and will be happy to finish working for an average salary in such an unprofessional, disorganised, incompetent and untrustworthy school and hope that I get my deposit back.

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To the best of my knowledge, Hampson English was set up about 2 years ago. It is a new kid on the block. Initially it was not known as Hampson English. I believe it was establshed by a guy called David. His name has been blacklisted in this forum for many years.

One of their ex-managers joined our company here in Wuhan, Hubei province. Let's call him John. He is British and white. We found it hard to believe that he was fired for screwing up accounts payables at Hampson English. This guy doesn't even speak or write Chinese.

I got one of my female colleagues to phone Hampson English to speak to their boss (it's a lady). The person on the other side of the line introduced herself as Ms Cherry Chin. She wasn't the boss but the boss' personal assistant. After some discreet probing, we found out that all purchases and payments had to be approved by the boss. The buck stopped at her. So John was framed. A further surprise awaited us: John had earlier spurned the boss' advances and so he had to pay the ultimate price. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

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chaofan wrote:
I will say what has been said here before, employees get paid, employers pay employees, so why would anyone agree to have 1500rmb withheld from them at the start of their new job? I will never work for any company asking for a deposit for me to work for them, they got it all wrong. Once they told you they would hold the 1500 you should have said no thanks, see ya! and went on to the next job, hundreds of English jobs here, don't let them control the situation.

Totally agree.

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we study in the site for a good opportunity in Hampson institute through online but overall i satisfied with the job but i have to face the problems in doing duty through online therefore i skip this program in a week and did not receive the handsome amount if anyone interested in this type of teaching then i recommend to him to must join it and get the handsome salary after working actually we know that Hampson English is an old teaching institute which offers English class to people of varying ages and language ability levels.
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It is in the contract you signed, you should both have an original stamped copy, I also asked for a receipt when they took my deposit.

Pure speculation, as I do not know you, but are you sure there is not more to this story?? It's just I cannot see why they or anyone would put themselves in the position of not only having to pay you the 1500RMB back if you decided to go to say the labour courts, but also the court costs involved and a dent in their reputation when they loose.

It just seems a bit futile for the sake of a measly 1500RMB if you ask me if they did not feel they had a very good reason for doing so. Only speculating mind as I can only go on the information you have posted.

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expatteacher wrote:
It is in the contract you signed, you should both have an original stamped copy, I also asked for a receipt when they took my deposit.

Pure speculation, as I do not know you, but are you sure there is not more to this story?? It's just I cannot see why they or anyone would put themselves in the position of not only having to pay you the 1500RMB back if you decided to go to say the labour courts, but also the court costs involved and a dent in their reputation when they loose.

It just seems a bit futile for the sake of a measly 1500RMB if you ask me if they did not feel they had a very good reason for doing so. Only speculating mind as I can only go on the information you have posted.

English is not your native language, is it?

美国鬼子

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zhenlai wrote:
expatteacher wrote:
It is in the contract you signed, you should both have an original stamped copy, I also asked for a receipt when they took my deposit.

Pure speculation, as I do not know you, but are you sure there is not more to this story?? It's just I cannot see why they or anyone would put themselves in the position of not only having to pay you the 1500RMB back if you decided to go to say the labour courts, but also the court costs involved and a dent in their reputation when they loose.

It just seems a bit futile for the sake of a measly 1500RMB if you ask me if they did not feel they had a very good reason for doing so. Only speculating mind as I can only go on the information you have posted.

English is not your native language, is it?

OOOoooo p@@s taking Smile Is that all you have to offer?

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expatteacher wrote:
zhenlai wrote:
expatteacher wrote:
It is in the contract you signed, you should both have an original stamped copy, I also asked for a receipt when they took my deposit.

Pure speculation, as I do not know you, but are you sure there is not more to this story?? It's just I cannot see why they or anyone would put themselves in the position of not only having to pay you the 1500RMB back if you decided to go to say the labour courts, but also the court costs involved and a dent in their reputation when they loose.

It just seems a bit futile for the sake of a measly 1500RMB if you ask me if they did not feel they had a very good reason for doing so. Only speculating mind as I can only go on the information you have posted.

English is not your native language, is it?

OOOoooo p@@s taking Smile Is that all you have to offer?

I just wish to have my question answered. Are you a native English speaker?

美国鬼子

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Personally I think the question is warranted. Why on Earth would a company that has branches all over the place and makes a lot of money, put themselves in the position of arguing over 1500RMB if they did not believe they had a good reason to do so?

At the same time however, maybe they have, as I said, I am purely speculating. It's just something doesn't sound right about it to me.

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No I speak Urdu..

How about getting to the point.

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expatteacher wrote:
No I speak Urdu..

How about getting to the point.

Your grammar in the post that I quoted is lacking in accuracy. Mine lacks accuracy at times also, however, some of the things you wrote led me to believe that you aren't a native speaker.

美国鬼子

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Oh well point taken. I'm from India so perhaps I do not always come across grammatically correct.

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expatteacher wrote:
It is in the contract you signed, you should both have an original stamped copy, I also asked for a receipt when they took my deposit.

Pure speculation, as I do not know you, but are you sure there is not more to this story?? It's just I cannot see why they or anyone would put themselves in the position of not only having to pay you the 1500RMB back if you decided to go to say the labour courts, but also the court costs involved and a dent in their reputation when they loose.

It just seems a bit futile for the sake of a measly 1500RMB if you ask me if they did not feel they had a very good reason for doing so. Only speculating mind as I can only go on the information you have posted.

I know it must be hard for you to formulate a logic response when uninformed about how employers sometimes think & act and, also, about the labor laws.

First of all, according to the Chinese labor laws, there is virtually never a good reason not to pay salary due an employee.

Secondly, there are many employers in Beijing and elsewhere that doubt an expat would ever go to the Labor Bureau and file a complaint. There are also those who are not about falsifying employment records to escape responsibility should the expat actually go to the Labor Bureau and file a complaint.

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

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Ok I accept that, but as I mentioned in my post, a good idea would have been to ask for a receipt for the deposit, that's what I would have done.

At least that way you have a little more proof that they are holding funds that belong to you.

I will admit my knowledge of law in China is somewhat limited, so my response is probably from a western outlook as opposed to the way that things are here but it just seemed a bit much for the sake of only 1500RMB, don't you agree it seems like a bit of a pointless gamble.

If it was a significant amount of money I could understand it, but 1500.

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expatteacher wrote:
Ok I accept that, but as I mentioned in my post, a good idea would have been to ask for a receipt for the deposit, that's what I would have done.

At least that way you have a little more proof that they are holding funds that belong to you.

I will admit my knowledge of law in China is somewhat limited, so my response is probably from a western outlook as opposed to the way that things are here but it just seemed a bit much for the sake of only 1500RMB, don't you agree it seems like a bit of a pointless gamble.

If it was a significant amount of money I could understand it, but 1500.

Hindsight is always 20/20, isn't it?

Knowing how disreputable some employers are outside the realm of education and that private educational enterprises are generally even worse, one should not be surprised that they try to cheat you out of even 100 RMB. Some employers will do it out of vengeance and others, simply, because they can.

Hampson sounds like a scumbag operation as they violate labor laws right from the start. It is illegal to withhold a security deposit from an employees wages or to require any form of guaranty beyond a simple written contract. If right out of the gate they violate labor laws, just how difficult can it be to comprehend they are perfectly able to -- and probably do -- violate others? It is not really rocket science.

You mention Western outlook. How one could expect that to apply in China is a mystery. Using that same logic, people would line up in an orderly fashion when waiting for the subway, not spit on sidewalks or not piss on trees along the side of the road.

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

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LOL, When I mentioned a western outlook I wasn't trying to imply implementation, just the way I was looking at it. I have suffered very little in the way of problems here. Only a visa issue last year which I had resolved.

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expatteacher wrote:
LOL, When I mentioned a western outlook I wasn't trying to imply implementation, just the way I was looking at it. I have suffered very little in the way of problems here. Only a visa issue last year which I had resolved.

You're lucky.

Actually, I have had very, very few issues here and the ones I have had I have been able to settle on my own.

Unfortunately, though, I have met a lot of people who have not been so fortunate. If I worked for a company that decided not to pay me, I WOULD collect my money one way or another.

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

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Hampson English are a bunch of con-artists.

Alex thinks the pizzas at the Tree and the Kro's Nest are rubbish.

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Yep. Con artists.

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@expat teacher: Why are you defending Hampson? I have no idea what kind of wage you are on, but in my opinion 1500 is a lot. That makes up a big chunk of rent. Think about how many meals you could buy with that? I have friend on ridiculously high wages, who would still be pretty pissed at the thought of losing 1500. Hampson English are con artists. They make you sign a contract saying they have to with hold your first 1500 because teachers run off all the time without finishing a contract.

Then when you finish the contract, they don't pay you. Other schools I worked with paid me when I finished without batting an eyelid. Hampson withheld my pay. I went into the HQ in person and argued with them. In the end a Chinese-American guy agreed to pay me - he was later fined and sacked for paying me. He said that it was happening at branches all over the place and that he was glad to be getting out.

The guy in charge of HR, Jack, at Hampson is a friggin' nut job. He doesn't issue deposit slips and then asks you to hand one over when you complete the contract. Obviously, you don't have one and so he refuses to pay you. He also is 'unable' to find ny record of you having taught there...

He actually SCREAMED, 'How did you find this office?!' in my face when I went to the HQ. They only owed me 200 kuai (I only had one student and they take the first 200 kuai from each student up to 1500). A tiny amount to them, but he was going mental.

Just avoid this school. Use Fluent English in Dawang lu, Xiancheng soho - the staff are sweeties and they never caused any issues with money.

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Thank you for your interest in Hampson! With so many evaluations of Hampson (whether positive or negative), this is an indication of Hampson’s size and popularity.

Allow me to highlight a few figures regarding Hampson and address a few often discussed issues.

1, Hampson just turned 9 years old
2, Hampson has a total of 19 campuses located across 11 major cities. Each year Hampson continues to expand throughout China
3, We currently employ more than 700 foreign teachers. (Our large staff is a result of Hampson only offering 1 to 1 English educational services)

Hampson is the first organization, in China, specifically designed to provide one on one education by only hiring foreign instructors. We are not perfect and there are still many aspects our management team are constantly trying to improve on. But we can guarantee that Hampson’s management is reasonable. We will not undermine our reputation by over a mere 1500RMB deposit. This 1500RMB deposit is always refunded unless a teacher seriously breaches the contract terms.

The Hampson organization is constantly growing and improving. We understand that some previous teachers were irate without their deposit withheld, thus posting negative comments about our organization and management staff. Please be assured that all of the previous teachers, who had their deposit withheld, had seriously breached our contract terms for this to occur. Over the last 9 years employing over thousands of foreign teachers, we have encountered some foreign teachers who have not fully cooperated with us, but a great majority continues to work flawlessly and harmoniously at our organization.

If you want to truly understand what it’s like working with Hampson, we recommend that you contact some of our currently teachers and hear their views. Feel free to swing by any weekday evening or weekend at any of our 19 campuses. They will be glad to share their views

We welcome any feedback you have for us. We continuously strive to improve or school for both our students and teachers. Feel free to e-mail us at: hampson.edu @ 163.com

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Tony, obviously you work for Hampson English. Did the company give Patty01 his money back?

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