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MrTang

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Re: blacklist

Posted by: MrTang on Apr 28, 2010 8:53am

heres a black list in china

Im a f-ing Idiot.

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Frankxu

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Re: blacklist

Posted by: Frankxu on Apr 28, 2010 9:11am

Hi
If someone do something that's harmful to China or has criminal backgroud will put on black list.
Usually,this won't happen,I think your previous employer has threatened you.
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gdbill

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Re: blacklist

Posted by: gdbill on Apr 28, 2010 2:17pm

puerk wrote:

Is there really a black list in china that prevents someone to enter the country and even work?
My previous employer threatened me to denounce me and put me on a black list .
thanks

Of course there is. Every country has one.

I don't think your employer can do anything, though. Perhaps they mean having you put on the Foreign Experts Administration blacklist. That would be a little bit easier, but they still need a good reason. That could keep you from getting any jobs with government schools at least.

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puerk

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Re: blacklist

Posted by: puerk on Apr 29, 2010 12:49am

"Our school is going to report this matter to the Foreign Expert Bureau and the Entry & Exit Administration Bureau of the Public Security Bureau. Their names will be put on the blacklists which will prevent them from working in China anymore."

what do you think of that ?

what is a government school?

thanks .

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gdbill

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Re: blacklist

Posted by: gdbill on Apr 29, 2010 7:30am

puerk wrote:

"Our school is going to report this matter to the Foreign Expert Bureau and the Entry & Exit Administration Bureau of the Public Security Bureau. Their names will be put on the blacklists which will prevent them from working in China anymore."

what do you think of that ?

what is a government school?

thanks .

What did the people do that made the school upset?

A government school is one owned by the government. :duh:

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puerk

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Re: blacklist

Posted by: puerk on Apr 29, 2010 10:44am

just left without saying anything

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gdbill

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Re: blacklist

Posted by: gdbill on Apr 29, 2010 10:48am

puerk wrote:

just left without saying anything

Other than having their visa cancelled, I think the only thing the school can do is try and have them blacklisted by the State Administration of Foreign Experts and / or the regional education department.

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puerk

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Re: blacklist

Posted by: puerk on Apr 29, 2010 10:51am

what does it mean ? Is it impossible to work anymore in china? is it a bluff?
what if they want to work in another province ?

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gdbill

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Re: blacklist

Posted by: gdbill on Apr 29, 2010 1:15pm

puerk wrote:

what does it mean ? Is it impossible to work anymore in china? is it a bluff?
what if they want to work in another province ?

It could be a bluff. Or it may not be.

The worst is that they could prevent them from working at any government (public) school.

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Mr. James Vagabond

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Re: blacklist

Posted by: Mr. James Vagabond on Oct 31, 2011 11:00am

gdbill wrote:

puerk wrote:

what does it mean ? Is it impossible to work anymore in china? is it a bluff?
what if they want to work in another province ?

It could be a bluff. Or it may not be.

The worst is that they could prevent them from working at any government (public) school.

Hello gbill. I am in a similar situation where I left a school and they threatened to blacklist me. I posted a thread on this and someone responded mentioning to me that he knew people who couldn't even get into China for 7 years because I guess they pissed off the wrong guy and although he was just working for a private language school in Hubei...he apparently had enough clout with the government to screw them over. He told me that they were denied from even getting tourist visas. Scary stuff. I left a pretty big school called Web English and I am worried that if a small school in Hubei can do that...then I guess I might be out of China for 7 years. What are the chances that they actually blacklisted me? They did have me on a Z visa and I had the foreign expert's certificate. In fact, I even have it with me here in the US! Not that I will try bringing it back to China with me. I will also not attempt to apply for a tourist visa until my Z visa with them expires in March. I even thought about buying a brand new passport so that none of my old visas will see seen(if this is possible).

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gdbill

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Re: blacklist

Posted by: gdbill on Oct 31, 2011 2:07pm

Mr. James Vagabond wrote:

gdbill wrote:

puerk wrote:

what does it mean ? Is it impossible to work anymore in china? is it a bluff?
what if they want to work in another province ?

It could be a bluff. Or it may not be.

The worst is that they could prevent them from working at any government (public) school.

Hello gbill. I am in a similar situation where I left a school and they threatened to blacklist me. I posted a thread on this and someone responded mentioning to me that he knew people who couldn't even get into China for 7 years because I guess they pissed off the wrong guy and although he was just working for a private language school in Hubei...he apparently had enough clout with the government to screw them over. He told me that they were denied from even getting tourist visas. Scary stuff. I left a pretty big school called Web English and I am worried that if a small school in Hubei can do that...then I guess I might be out of China for 7 years. What are the chances that they actually blacklisted me? They did have me on a Z visa and I had the foreign expert's certificate. In fact, I even have it with me here in the US! Not that I will try bringing it back to China with me. I will also not attempt to apply for a tourist visa until my Z visa with them expires in March. I even thought about buying a brand new passport so that none of my old visas will see seen(if this is possible).

I think at this point the only way to see if you are blacklisted is by trying to apply for another visa or risk trying to re-enter on your current unexpired visa.

In order to really ban someone it would take a lot of clout or some strong motivation on the part of the PSB. If you are banned, I suppose your idea of obtaining a new passport might work, but now that most PSB visa records are maintained online I wonder if getting a hit on name and DOB they might just not compare photographs -- your passport picture with the one of yours they have in their visa files.

I would imagine if you did a legal name change and then obtained a new passport that would work.

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Mr. James Vagabond

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Re: blacklist

Posted by: Mr. James Vagabond on Oct 31, 2011 3:27pm

Well I also plan to get a new passport not only for this, but because my current one is damaged. If they are suspicious of me...couldn't I just tell them that I got a new passport because my old one was either lost or damaged? I can't imagine them thinking it is a lie because this is a common problem. My plan was to apply for a tourist visa a little while after my work visa expires to let things "cool off" I guess. It would be ironic if getting a new passport ruined the whole thing if they compare like you said...but then again if I successfully get the tourist visa, then I have nothing really to worry about.

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gdbill

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Re: blacklist

Posted by: gdbill on Oct 31, 2011 3:44pm

Mr. James Vagabond wrote:

Well I also plan to get a new passport not only for this, but because my current one is damaged. If they are suspicious of me...couldn't I just tell them that I got a new passport because my old one was either lost or damaged? I can't imagine them thinking it is a lie because this is a common problem. My plan was to apply for a tourist visa a little while after my work visa expires to let things "cool off" I guess. It would be ironic if getting a new passport ruined the whole thing if they compare like you said...but then again if I successfully get the tourist visa, then I have nothing really to worry about.

I'm not sure, but I know they can pull up old visa records on their system and see your photo. So, I think -- but, again, not sure -- that they could put your name and date of birth into the system and see if a visa photo comes up. They could compare it with your current passport photo and if the same, maybe deny you a visa if, indeed, you are on the blacklist.

Again, this is in theory. Not sure if they would actually do that or not.

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admirerdr

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Re: blacklist

Posted by: admirerdr on Oct 31, 2011 4:56pm

Why not face the situation and ascertain the factual position ?

Getting a New Passport is not a solution ( unless you change all basic data i.e. Name / Father's Name / Date of Birth / Place of Birth ).

As for existing visa "status", you may check it up with CHINESE EMBASSY / Consulate in your country ( or, in any other country, if you are a traveler) - all systems are online, they can easily tell you the present status of the visa already stamped in your passport. If the visa is valid and "clear", you have no issue.
If otherwise, they should be able to tell you the reasons ( for black listing etc.), and how to work around them.

Best of luck !

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admirerdr

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Re: blacklist

Posted by: admirerdr on Oct 31, 2011 4:56pm

Double post - deleted.

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Mr. James Vagabond

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Re: blacklist

Posted by: Mr. James Vagabond on Nov 1, 2011 7:09am

admirerdr wrote:

Why not face the situation and ascertain the factual position ?

Getting a New Passport is not a solution ( unless you change all basic data i.e. Name / Father's Name / Date of Birth / Place of Birth ).

As for existing visa "status", you may check it up with CHINESE EMBASSY / Consulate in your country ( or, in any other country, if you are a traveler) - all systems are online, they can easily tell you the present status of the visa already stamped in your passport. If the visa is valid and "clear", you have no issue.
If otherwise, they should be able to tell you the reasons ( for black listing etc.), and how to work around them.

Best of luck !

Yes thanks I hope I have good luck too. I would not just be getting a new passport to avoid trouble, because if I have been blacklisted, I am sure they would know its me from their records. I was just thinking it might help me, but the main reasons for me getting a new passport are because my current one is all mangled and I only have 1 blank page left.