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New Foreign Immigration Laws for China

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/7756638/Beijing-pla...

So, China has decided that too many laowai are coming to China, stealing jobs that could be done by honest hard working Chinese people.....oh...hang on a sec....no, that's not it.

Or is it? Apparently, according to the article, lots of people even poorer than the Chinese are going to southern cities, and working in factories and such.

So this move, to limit the number of foreigners coming into China, will protect jobs. But will it be expanded? Is there, or will there be, any reason to limit the number of foreigners coming in to do general work, like teachers or office workers?

And on the other side of the coin, if they plan to introduce this kind of law, will they have other measures, to encourage foreigners to come in and work in industries that really require expert input?

Do you think this new law will be helpful or harmful?

Another little thought out Chinese reaction, or something that will actually improve China?

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Any one know what this actually translate into?

Quote:
Residence permits to aid visits by family
By Jin Zhu and Zhu Zhe (China Daily)
Updated: 2010-05-21 08:40 Comments(3) PrintMail Large Medium Small

Multiple entries, exits set to help foreigners with close kin in China

BEIJING - Starting next month, foreigners who have close relatives in China will be able to apply for residence permits that are valid for up to two years, the Ministry of Public Security said on Thursday.

Residence permits do not have limits on the number of entries and exits, which will "greatly facilitate the travel of foreigners", a ministry official told China Daily.

Currently, foreigners who come to China to visit family members should apply for an "L visa", which is valid for up to one year. Under existing rules, the visa has limits on the frequency of entries and exits.

But with more foreigners visiting their close relatives in China, the ministry has decided to grant residence permits to them to make their travel more convenient, said an official surnamed Jia with the ministry's exit and entry administration bureau.

The new rule stipulates that if foreigners need to stay in China for more than six months, they can apply for residence permits that are valid for one or two years if they fall under the following five categories:

* Foreign spouses, parents, and children under 18 of Chinese citizens or foreigners who have permanent residence status in China.

* Foreigners older than 60, and their spouses, who do not have immediate family abroad and come to China to live with their immediate family. The immediate family members in China can be Chinese citizens or foreigners who have permanent residence status in China.

*Overseas Chinese aged above 60 who have bought houses in China, and their foreign spouses and children aged below 18.

*Overseas Chinese older than 18 who come to China to take care of their Chinese parents, who have reached 60 and do not have any children in China.

*Foreign children under 18 being taken care of in China and whose parents are overseas Chinese or Chinese citizens who hold permanent residence permits in other countries.

Under the new rule, the validity of the residence permit can also be extended when it expires.

The full text of the rule is posted on the ministry's website at www.mps.gov.cn.

Jia said that currently, foreigners under the five categories all need to apply for an "L visa".

Under the existing rules, residence permits are only granted to foreigners who come to study and work in China. More than 400,000 foreigners have gained residence permits in China, official figures showed.

Yuan Shuping, a Beijinger who married a German 10 years ago, said on Thursday that she has been looking forward to such measures for a long time.

"My husband's family members come to China to visit us every year and every time they need to apply for L visas that allow a single entry, which is troublesome," she said.

"I am very delighted to see that my husband's relatives will be able to apply for residence permits since he already got permanent residence in 2006," she said.

"I'm sure they will come to see us more often in future."

China Daily

Im a f-ing Idiot.

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I hope they have a special visa class for Fugitives

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Who would have thought one day the Chinese Visa would be much sought after?

Now the Mandarins are getting tiresome of all these laowais grabbing their jobs and bedding their pure women,drinking their nice cheap beer and gobbling up all their delicious Beijing roast duck.

Satisfaction is the death of desire

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So no one thinks it is a good move for China, strengthening its laws and regulations regarding who and how many laowai can actually come in?

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I think the new laws are great.

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SXD wrote:
I think the new laws are great.

Because.....?

A very smart man wrote:

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admin wrote:
I hope they have a special visa class for Fugitives

Geez, you're hoping, I'm praying.

Sometimes the same is different, but mostly, it's the same.

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They are tailored to my situation and make it easier for me. Foreign spouses should get an even longer term, but it is a small inconvenience either way you look at it.

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SXD wrote:
They are tailored to my situation and make it easier for me. Foreign spouses should get an even longer term, but it is a small inconvenience either way you look at it.

But thats PR you're talking about.

I'm talking about limitations on immigration types and numbers...

A very smart man wrote:

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HuanChu wrote:
SXD wrote:
They are tailored to my situation and make it easier for me. Foreign spouses should get an even longer term, but it is a small inconvenience either way you look at it.

But thats PR you're talking about.

I'm talking about limitations on immigration types and numbers...

I see. Well, in that case, I think most people would find that any country has laws on the books to deal with people coming over the border to take jobs in regions (within said country's borders) that have high unemployment rates.

I think laws designed to limit these kinds of events are proper and quite reasonable.

It is fair game for a country's laws to reflect the position that a job should first go to a qualified citizen, while being careful to generally encourage entrepreneurs to come and set up shop to help create more employment.

The situation in China is becoming such that there are so many qualified and very well-educated Chinese, that can fill pretty much all of the positions in the country, with very few exceptions; that soon, there will only be jobs available for true foreign experts, investor/entrepreneurs or specialists, expat package managers; and of course; the old stand-by; language teachers.

Labor is simply something that is not required.

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Actually, in my reading I do not see anything that clearly says a laowai spouse would get such a visa. Only that your child with a chinese person could or that a chinese person living overseas with family in China could, etc.

The woman quoted was excited that it would apply to her situation, but nothing in the announcement actually said it would (and the English in China Daily is not so great that I am sure they would notice this distinction).

So, I wonder, as a laowei married to a Chinese citizen living overseas, do I qualify? And what does this wonderful visa cost? My one year, multiple reentry visas cost $170 a pop in the US ($130 for the visa plus $40 in fees as there is not consulate in my city and safe mailing to Houston costs as much as the fee, so safer through their agent in Atlanta). It allows me to come and go often enough. Does thie new visa offer more rights? Better cost (doubt it)?

More detail would be nice.

MadeinAmerica

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Someone needs to tell the PSB that their English-language website is severely lame. You would think this news would rate an English-language page, esp. since China Daily gave the link in their English-language article.

I know, this is Chinarr, go home!

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US-Sino Summit time.

Its all probably temporary and been made vague accordingly, Tim Geithner has been badgering Beijing about conditions for foreign businesses here and while it isn't directly related, its the usual form of minor detail they'll change, "you see, we love foreigners" etc.... The timing isn't tied to anything else and China doesn't give an inch on anything unless there's a gain.

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SXD wrote:
HuanChu wrote:
SXD wrote:
They are tailored to my situation and make it easier for me. Foreign spouses should get an even longer term, but it is a small inconvenience either way you look at it.

But thats PR you're talking about.

I'm talking about limitations on immigration types and numbers...

I see. Well, in that case, I think most people would find that any country has laws on the books to deal with people coming over the border to take jobs in regions (within said country's borders) that have high unemployment rates.

I think laws designed to limit these kinds of events are proper and quite reasonable.

It is fair game for a country's laws to reflect the position that a job should first go to a qualified citizen, while being careful to generally encourage entrepreneurs to come and set up shop to help create more employment.

The situation in China is becoming such that there are so many qualified and very well-educated Chinese, that can fill pretty much all of the positions in the country, with very few exceptions; that soon, there will only be jobs available for true foreign experts, investor/entrepreneurs or specialists, expat package managers; and of course; the old stand-by; language teachers.

Labor is simply something that is not required.

I'd agree with this to a certain extent. Certainly where the industry or players in an industry are very localised as far as suppliers and consumers go.

Once a player needs to deal with more global interaction and the standards that go with - then the local work force is still greatly sub par. Take management consulting or high end systems design and strategy for example.

The fact is that labour is not something that any country wants to import. This is bad IMHO. I think countries should have open borders to match the global markets we have - let the best people go wherever. I want the best people to work in Australia. Not the best Australians - as you say - growing the pie to create more is more important than playing a game of attrition over the same never growing pie....fighting over crumbs.

I can't see China ever not needing foreigners in the roles of management, strategy, design and global leadership. It is just a fact. However for any rank and file job - I can't see why any business in the west wouldn't off shore to China to process most of their backend work tasks.

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MadeinAmerica wrote:
Actually, in my reading I do not see anything that clearly says a laowai spouse would get such a visa. Only that your child with a chinese person could or that a chinese person living overseas with family in China could, etc.

The woman quoted was excited that it would apply to her situation, but nothing in the announcement actually said it would (and the English in China Daily is not so great that I am sure they would notice this distinction).

So, I wonder, as a laowei married to a Chinese citizen living overseas, do I qualify? And what does this wonderful visa cost? My one year, multiple reentry visas cost $170 a pop in the US ($130 for the visa plus $40 in fees as there is not consulate in my city and safe mailing to Houston costs as much as the fee, so safer through their agent in Atlanta). It allows me to come and go often enough. Does thie new visa offer more rights? Better cost (doubt it)?

More detail would be nice.

Why did you get 1 yr? I got 2yr visa from houston last time i did a spousal visa.

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http://www.globaltimes.cn/www/english/metro-beijing/update/top-news/2010...

A very smart man wrote:

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Ah, my son with Asian eyes gets two years. Me, pure laowei got one. Apparently, it is discretionary what you get (could say discriminatory or pseudo-random or nonsensical, etc.). Just roll the dice and you get what you get.

The woman we dealt with even discussed whether my son's brown hair would outweigh the asian eyes, leaving him with one year.

What more can I say?

MadeinAmerica

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HuanChu wrote:
http://www.globaltimes.cn/www/english/metro-beijing/update/top-news/2010-05/535136.html

"Foreigners enjoy too many privileges. It's much easier for them to find jobs, while local Chinese are faced with many requirements when looking for a job," said Wang Chunguang, a sociology researcher at the China Academy of Social Sciences.

:-S

Well get rid of the stupid hukao system. Remove the preferential university entrance exams for natives of one city over natives of another and level the playing field for the hard working and smart people who just happened to not have been born in a major city.

What the author fails to mention is the jobs that many foreigners would like to do in China - just don't exist here yet because of the development status of the place and the current penchant for hard values and costs and not soft values and costs - which are harder to appreciate - so the professions that deal with that are less developed and as such the "Foreign Experts" that would come - can't or don't.

So where are all these foreigners just getting jobs left, right and centre as if it was their home country? :-s

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you cant lump all foreigners into one category, but the foreigners in China tend to mostly fall into 2 categories. they want to make a quick buck out of China, force China to do business with foreign countries, or they are here for destabilisation purposes. let's be honest, they're not here to make China a better place. so why should China accept these people? i think if you are generally interested in Chinese culture, and can make China a better place, then you should be allowed to stay. when i say a better place, i mean moving away from what foreigners have turned China into, a place that is materialistic, not family oriented, money driven, selfish, and greedy.

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qadafi wrote:
i mean moving away from what foreigners have turned China into, a place that is materialistic, not family oriented, money driven, selfish, and greedy.

Really? Rolling On The Floor

I think you must be trolling my friend.

It was Deng Xiao Ping who said "To get rich is glorious", and that's what pushed China to become as capitalist as it is.

Still, I think you know that and are just looking for someone to argue with. It which case, just go away. This board doesn't need ignorant trolls like you on here.

A very smart man wrote:

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As if Chinese people want to make foreign countries a better place when go there. Hilarious!! Rolling On The Floor

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qadafi wrote:
you cant lump all foreigners into one category, but the foreigners in China tend to mostly fall into 2 categories. they want to make a quick buck out of China, force China to do business with foreign countries, or they are here for destabilisation purposes. let's be honest, they're not here to make China a better place. so why should China accept these people? i think if you are generally interested in Chinese culture, and can make China a better place, then you should be allowed to stay. when i say a better place, i mean moving away from what foreigners have turned China into, a place that is materialistic, not family oriented, money driven, selfish, and greedy.

Uneducated stupid remark. Lets put more censorship into who, what, where, and why people can come to China. Destabalization....your joking of course...who takes the money and runs out of China? Mostly you're wn people you retard. You have no clue yet do you?? I"ve spent way more money in this country than Ive taken out. When I leave and my company with me...there will be some job losses.... Wave

I've actually been on here since 2003...but...when you're away from home a man has to do something...

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All the nouveau riche Chinese are taking the money and running to other countries. What happens if foreign countries put further restrictions on Chinese people. God knows it's difficult for your them to go anywhere. Just give foreign countries an excuse to make it harder. We'll see visa restrictions slapped on Chinese citizens similar to 2008.

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Part of me wonders if China isn't doing this to prevent its wealthy from emigrating. Visa restrictions tend to go tit for tat. So, if one country tightens their restrictions other countries will tighten them up for the first nations nationals. And I've noticed that the Chinese media seems to be making a big deal out of "fraudsters" emigrating to western nations with stolen loot.

If China put visa restrictions back to what they used to be, it could look like regression to the Chinese population. So, make it harder for laowai to come here and, in turn, it'll be harder for wealthy Chinese to go to western places.

It could also just be China getting too big for their britches and thinking this shithole somehow warrants tough immigration policies like Japan and South Korea have.

Look forward to working with you.

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If China doesn't need you, they'd probably prefer to keep you out. I think this is a trend among East Asian countries.

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Suijen wrote:
If China doesn't need you, they'd probably prefer to keep you out. I think this is a trend among East Asian countries.

Are you to contribute something useful to the forum at any point in time?

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Jeremy 29 wrote:
Part of me wonders if China isn't doing this to prevent its wealthy from emigrating. Visa restrictions tend to go tit for tat. So, if one country tightens their restrictions other countries will tighten them up for the first nations nationals. And I've noticed that the Chinese media seems to be making a big deal out of "fraudsters" emigrating to western nations with stolen loot.

If China put visa restrictions back to what they used to be, it could look like regression to the Chinese population. So, make it harder for laowai to come here and, in turn, it'll be harder for wealthy Chinese to go to western places.

It could also just be China getting too big for their britches and thinking this shithole somehow warrants tough immigration policies like Japan and South Korea have.

you seem so unhappy. why did you come back from canada? Or maybe you could teach english somewhere else other than a "shithole"?

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."

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qadafi wrote:
when i say a better place, i mean moving away from what foreigners have turned China into, a place that is materialistic, not family oriented, money driven, selfish, and greedy.

you're blaming foreigners for turning china into all these things?

foreigners represent what? 0.00000001% of the total population?

give me a break.

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otto wrote:
Jeremy 29 wrote:
Part of me wonders if China isn't doing this to prevent its wealthy from emigrating. Visa restrictions tend to go tit for tat. So, if one country tightens their restrictions other countries will tighten them up for the first nations nationals. And I've noticed that the Chinese media seems to be making a big deal out of "fraudsters" emigrating to western nations with stolen loot.

If China put visa restrictions back to what they used to be, it could look like regression to the Chinese population. So, make it harder for laowai to come here and, in turn, it'll be harder for wealthy Chinese to go to western places.

It could also just be China getting too big for their britches and thinking this shithole somehow warrants tough immigration policies like Japan and South Korea have.

you seem so unhappy. why did you come back from canada? Or maybe you could teach english somewhere else other than a "shithole"?

I don't teach English. Believe me, I'm working to get outta here.

Look forward to working with you.

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Is it new law? Cant see anything new about it. Dont worry cpc always treat you guys better than citizen, but to get worker unions and associates is pretty much remote.

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