Spouses of Chinese citizens finally fully human
Hope everyone saw in the news Friday (China Daily) that close relatives of Chinese citizens (and foreigners with PR) that wish to live in China now qualify for a residence permit instead of being classified as some strange type of tourist. The Chinese language regs concerning it on Gong An's website are thin, but I have to assume there are no work privileges attached to it. Since it is a RP and not a visa, the regs also do not say if applicants need to undergo a physical and how easy it is to move from one form of RP (work, study, etc.) to this type. In any case, after 20 or more years of denial by the government, this is a step forward in admitting that those married to Chinese citizens and wishing to live in China are actually residents and not tourists. Wonderful!




zhenlai
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Here is a link to the article.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-05/21/content_9875992.htm
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admin
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good news
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Socks
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Any more news? Is the law national or regional? The current L-visa for spouses is only available in some provinces. What will I need to apply? Will they start giving them out on June 1st?
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libertin
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This is very good news indeed. It will make things so much easier. Is it correct that non working spouses of Chinese citizens will finally be able to get a driver's license?
It would be very nice if some of you visa agents out there could ask PSB if spouses of Chinese citizens will finally be allowed to work here as are spouses of foreigners with a Z visa.
xiezhulin0001
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yes good news .really
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phyllisli
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really good news, more conveinent for family 2 b together without worrying about visa.
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HuanChu
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Apart from the spouses of Chinese citizens, will these new law actually be useful for anyone else?
And even for foreign spouses, how many will this PR really help? As far as i can see, it doesn't offer any work rights, and how many people have enough money to be able not to work? So it really doesn't seem that useful even to them.
I mean, it says a foreigners parents can come here now, if they are older than 60, but who wants their parents living here with them full time?
If they are only going to visit once a year, its surely just as easy to get a tourist visa.
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Monkey King
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There may be something I've missed, but as a foreign spouse, I can't say I'm jumping with joy. Maybe I just don't know all the facts as to why it's a big improvement.
I actually don't mind going in for a visa renewal once a year, as long as I don't get jerked around in the process. And so far, knock on wood, I haven't.
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HuanChu
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So as far as you can see, there doesn't appear to be any real need for it?
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Monkey King
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Well, here's the thing. Right now, I go in once a year to PSB, and at least for the last couple years I got in and out pretty quick. No big deal.
So what do these new regs mean? Just that maybe I won't have to go in quite as often, as far as I can tell.
Now, if it also automatically gave us the legal right to work without having to deal with that as a separate issue, then I would consider that genuinely helpful.
Again, though, my understanding of exactly what these regs mean is imperfect.
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HuanChu
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Any foreigner here can apply for a drivers license, it has nothing to do with what visa your own. If you've read differently elsewhere, they are incorrect.
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wave
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We'll never be considered human here.
I just went to a government run swimming pool with my family, looking to get lessons for my son. Basically because his school friends were also getting lessons there we thought it would be a good idea that they could experience this stuff together.
Because he looks Chinese the pool staff were happy for him to go there, and for my wife and him to look around before we decided to pay up for lessons.
I on the other hand, wasn't allowed inside the pool area, and had to sit inside the waiting room. After five minutes there was other parents asking the staff why I was there, and asking for them to remove me. Eventually they came over and told me to leave.
I had to not only leave the building, but leave the area and wait outside on the road.
China can lick my balls when it come to this sh*t.
My kids will learn to swim from me now, in Australia.
This latest move concerning visa regulation isn't worth pissing on.
Sometimes the same is different, but mostly, it's the same.
Ironfrost
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Details here (in Chinese): http://www.mps.gov.cn/n16/n1237/n2131945/2423751.html .
Other people have already mentioned that it doesn't come with working privileges (making it completely useless for most of us already), but I also noticed the 2-year duration only applies if you're over 60 or under 18. For everyone else it only lasts 1 year. So there's no real difference between this and the 1-year L visa.
@Socks: Yes, this is from the national PSB and you can apply from June 1st.
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HuanChu
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http://www.globaltimes.cn/www/english/metro-beijing/update/top-news/2010...
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Monkey King
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So, I thought it was a multi-year visa and it's not even that?
Then it means absolutely nothing.
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baiyunma
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There could be some practical benefits from the new policy. Over the almost 20 years that I have lived here, I have at various times experienced differences between tourist and legal resident status over policies governing such things as who can purchase property, get loans from banks, exchange larger amounts of foreign currency (for down payments on houses and the like), engage in different types of business activities, and so on. Inspection of the type of visa or RP is often not enforced, but things could change for those holding tourist visas as time goes on.
Someone I know called the hotline and they told this person that foreign passport holders married to Chinese citizens without Beijing residency will be able to apply for the RP in BJ and not at the place of their official residency after the spouse has worked here for 6 months. This will also help some.
I am pretty sure that new RP regs are not aimed at non-Chinese foreigners living here but towards Chinese who lived aboard but still hold Chinese citizenship. The government wants to make it easier for these kinds of Chinese to return home. Many Chinese who left early on (and now are at the prime of their careers with lots of badly needed skills) had their hukou and ID card canceled when they left. Coming back to China with only their Chinese passports can be real troublesome, especially for their foreign citizen family members. If they take up a job in Beijing for example, but have no hukou and ID, how can their family members get a L visiting relatives visa to come with them? Better if they had given up their Chinese citizenship. Than it does not matter. In that case, with the RP that came with your work, your family can get RPs too. As it stands after June 1, those silly enough to have kept their Chinese citizenship will have equal rights with those who traded it for a foreign one, in this one aspect at least.
Any side benefits that non-Chinese receive from this regulation change and future changes in the immigration regulations are just that. It will be a long time if ever before China places a welcome mat out for foreigners married to their citizens. They do not want to encourage it for a variety of cultural and policy reasons (want to discourage visa fraud etc,). If you marry a Chinese and wish to remain here, you should do so with your eyes fully open. When you marry someone, you also marry their family (and country), for both good and bad. Let the buyer beware!
Just to provide some perspective. When I married my wife some eighteen years ago, they gave you a three month visa, that could be renewed 3 times and then you had to leave the country once a year to get a new one. I could not legally live with my spouse since I was a foreigner. When we went to a park, she paid the local's rate and me the foreign. I was supposed to be always using FECs and not the RMB which I had to buy on the street. Before we married, every Chinese male that knew me came to have a friendly chat to talk me out it. After the marriage, they never spoke to me again. I learned a lot of new Chinese words from the open cursing we took every day on the street. My wife was fired from her work unit (Peking University where she was a teacher) and they refused to give her permission to apply for a passport (in the end some years later I just needed to pay a "fee"), all for marrying me. They did not hide the reason for her dismissal. There were practically no jobs for foreigners to speak of,(so I ended up playing the main role in the second ever English teaching program produced by CETV in China. In the very first one, Dan Homer was the star. I had only the L visa but luckily my boss was the spouse of a high ranking official at the PSB). When we stayed at a hotel, I needed to show our marriage book if we wanted stay in the same room, including on our honeymoon. Once in a different city, even with the book, they would not let us have one room. That same evening at the same place, the phone kept ringing with solicitations from prostitutes. In other words, I could not be in the same bed with my legal wife (out of fear she might being a prostitute, or so they said), but the hotel was fine with me sharing it with a call girl they provided. China!
So no matter how hard people may think it is living with their Chinese spouse in BJ now, it is a lot better than before. China has made lots of progress. Recognizing that non-working foreign spouses of Chinese are actual residents instead of tourists, is just one more step forward and I welcome it. And in spite of the BS I have had to put up with, marrying my Chinese wife was the best thing that ever happened to me!
gdbill
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Yup. It's just propoganda crap as far as expats are concerned.
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Socks
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Has anyone gotten one of these visas yet? I went to my local PSB and asked about them, and they didn't know anything about them. So, here the PSB say that foreigners married to a chinese person can only get a 3 month visa and after 3 extensions you have to leave the country. Bah.
seabreeze98
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What? No spousal one-year L visa given out?
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HuanChu
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Forget what your local PSB say. These things are issued by the main Entry Exit Bureau at Yonghegong, so it's there that you need apply.
Such changes always take a while to filter down.
And FYI, the first oner was issued (to a German passport holding Chinese) three weeks ago.
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mugspsu89
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I just received(June 24th) one of those new residence permits instead of the usual 1 yr L from the Entry Exit Bureau at Yonghegong. I can't remember what I paid last year but this was only 400 kuai for an American Passport. No physical is required just the standard paperwork and copies of everything the same as before.
Ouyang Xueyu
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Can I just enter with an L visa and then convert to such an RP?
Does anybody know how to apply and which documents are needed?
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Socks
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Why was it only 400 RMB? It's cheaper than a regular visa? I've always had to pay 900+RMB for my visas? Has anyone else gotten this one year residence permits for a cheaper price than a visa?
Thanks!
Monkey King
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Mine's due in two weeks.
I'm just going to apply for another 1 year L; if they give me this new one then that's fine but I don't see any additional benefit to justify my having to learn new procedures.
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