Problems in IELTS
Hi folks,
I'm doing a research for my Doctorate of Education at La Trobe University, Melbourne, Australia.It's about the problems people are experiencing when taking IELTS test.
I badly needed your help and you can only help me by sharing your experience,comments and complaints about IELTS test. Feel free to email me at ielts888@gmail.com .
Hope everyone who will read this will have a heart to share his experience.
It would be a great help.Thank you.
Regards,
mike




silkywave
Re: Problems in IELTS
My complain is, as a chinese person, after I had the test, I know how many scores I got, but there is no correct standard answer for me to verify which part I failed.
And I have no chance to promote for next round of IELTS examination. That is very bad.
People can stand up from the point where they fell down, but for IELTS, it is totally clueless
And I think for embassies, to request people to have IELTS examination if the former score is expired is too annoying. But I guess it is the embassies' problem, none of your business
ur hot..is that why ur sweating?
alex the droog
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You failed?
Never!
Your speak English is very good.
HuanChu
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Really? I thought you received a break down of your score after you got it?
My ex took IELTS about 5 times in a one year period, and i'm sure she got some idea of where he weak areas were.
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silkywave
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And I think for examinees, IELTS test items are very different from all kinds of english tests in china, if people don't study the test items carefully in specific english schools(i.e. new oriental), they may totally lose sense or even get a zero score.
For example,
For the listening part, if people don't get familar with the forms of the test, they will nap during the article is read and write nothing on their examination paper, and then go home to cry.
ur hot..is that why ur sweating?
silkywave
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As I know, we have no channel to get the correct answer. But new oriental school has the item pool -- they said, at least in the famous site:http://www.51ielts.com/, people only hit the target, but I don't see anybody said that there is standard answers published
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alex the droog
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You have your own education system to thank for that.
Plus, New Oriental gives students the answers to the tests beforehand, or at least 'acquires' the test papers so they can train the students what exactly to say/write/listen for/read.
That's more Chinese, isn't it?
HuanChu
Re: Problems in IELTS
Don't the IELTS organization publish books with test papers and standard answers?
If not, then of course you're correct. If there is no standard answer, it must be very hard to ever know what you are meant to aim for.
A very smart man wrote:
wave
Re: Problems in IELTS
New Oriental, the stock exchange listed, top of the waz, our sh*t don't stink, language training company???
Surely you jest Droog.
Sometimes the same is different, but mostly, it's the same.
ReneeWine
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I just had a look at books on IELTS about 6 years ago. And I had attended several classes on IELTS then, when I worked in an English training school in Harbin. About more than 10 doctors, who worked in hospital in Harbin, atteneded that class together with me, they tried their hard to learn the textbooks on IELTS. I think those books on IELTS are really boring and hard to understand, for full of words which are not used so often or just in some special fields. Even the young guys, who are native speakers, are hard to understand those words.
Comfortable.
zhenlai
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The methods used to teach IELTS in this country are ridiculous. As with the entire Chinese educational system the most common method used to teach IELTS is to teach someone how to take a test. They do not teach how to grasp the language and all its nuances.
Most training schools encourage students to shoot for a score, they don't do anything to carry the students ability beyond that score. "Just get a 6.5 and you can go to many colleges or universities in Britain."
They teach too many phrases to use as filler and do no teaching of how to get students to think for themselves. Most students I have seen have gotten a low score because they use trite phrases and cliches that are worthless to ones ability to speak and write the language.
Students are given words to learn but they are not taught how to understand how to use the words. There is too little attention paid to the usage of verbs and prepositions.
I have many complaints about the way IELTS is being taught in this country and most of them come from the way students are taught English starting in middle school. The education system in this country needs to be more than revamped, it needs a complete overhaul.
美国鬼子
ReneeWine
Re: Problems in IELTS
Add:
I think this is just an important way to keep a lot of guys out of the doors of some countires, and only let a few have chances to become citizens of some countries.
What is your feeling of IELTS?
Comfortable.
zhenlai
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New Oriental is the most ridiculous of all the "English" schools. It is a money mill that promises the world but hands out virtually nothing.
美国鬼子
mike08
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I think most of you have got it right... it is all about money. The IELTS test is also about secrecy. What are the answers expected of the candidates? Where are the guidelines to indicate the type of answers to give? Some of the questions are extremely vague and, as a native-speaker, I would have to guess the correct answer. So, is IELTS a measure of English proficiency, or just a lottery?
The biggest problem with IELTS is the secrecy surrounding the requirements to pass the test. I find that to be unforgivable but when one realises that it is just a commercial company running it, and it is in their interests to keep people doing the test 5, 10, 15, or 19 times. So far, I have had one student who booked and paid for the test 19 times. He finally passed after I had coffee with him and gave him some advice. The tests and travelling would have cost him more than $25,000!
waitaitai
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I don't think the actual test is that problematic. After all, the test is only supposed to guage if a person has a strong enough grasp of the English language to function in an academic setting.
I know lots of people who have taken this exam and many other English tests. The people who scored 8 on this exam (of a possible 9) definitely could communicate and function in a non-Chinese school.
When I compare people who have extremely high English GaoKao scores, PETS scores, CET scores, (ad infinitum)... yet can't string a coherent written or spoken sentence together, I tend to believe that this test is at least somewhat worthwhile.
There are lots of books and Internet sites that break down the scoring and give lots of samples for all four sections. I don't think it is that deep of a mystery.
silkywave
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@waitaitai, yes, there are a lot of resources to read, but nobody knows who is correct. So the more read, the more confused.
Some people have talent of languages, some people don't. So that is why some people can easily get high score. But for a technical immigration, if he/she owns other strong suit, but his/her english is not so strong. It will become a through danger sopt to pass.
ur hot..is that why ur sweating?
waitaitai
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Good point about there being too many resources and lots of them are full of garbage.
Still, the idea that English can be broken down into IELTS English, spoken English, intensive reading, extensive reading, vocabulary memorization, TOEFL English, grammar analysis....and SO ON
(to borrow a beloved Chinese phrase)
really is misleading. If you improve your overall English level, you naturally will do better in any English pursuit, exam or otherwise.
I really think the percentage of people who have talent for language is small. Most people who succeed in learning a language well succeed due to real effort, regardless of method or philosophy.
ReneeWine
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I think IELTS is like a kind of gamble, in which only a few can win, and most fail.
Comfortable.
zhenlai
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Most might fail because they do not have the requisite education that allows them to achieve. You cannot learn English by going to an IELTS class once or twice a week and never exercising your English at any other time.
In order to achieve a satisfactory score on the IELTS you must make English and English study a daily part of your regimen. You must think in English as well as Chinese in all facets of your daily life.
There are no quick answers to doing well on the IELTS and you cannot blame the test itself if you do not achieve the score you desire. It is all up to you.
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mike08
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The reality is that the candidate is always blamed, not IELTS, never IELTS. If you want 7 or more in all four bans you have just 3% chance in succeeding. Are 97% lacking English proficiency? Of course not! Furthermore, why are people going to Australia, or living in Australia, expected to learn a British English, which is not Australian English.
But if you come from the white nations of United Kingdom, Ireland, USA, Canada and New Zealand, you are exempted to do an IELTS test. That is good for us as most would fail to get 6 in each band! Why doesn't IELTS publish their results of Australians who did their tests, which they surely would have done. The answer is that they would score less than their overseas counterparts and then IELTS would have to kiss goodbye to their great money-making business.
alex the droog
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The problem is simple: the answers are not provided for you, so you find it 'mysterious'.
It's not difficult if you actually learn English as opposed to study it just so you can pass an exam.
Of course you have to pass a f-ing exam to study abroad. Deal with it.
or you could just do what loads of Chineses do and pay someone to do it for you and get hopelessly out of your depth when you start studying in another country and get sent home because you were too lazy to actually get your head down and graft.
You all want a short-cut to everything. It doesn't work like that.
waitaitai
Re: Problems in IELTS
The speaking part is not looking for "correct answers" it is looking for four very specific criteria; fluency/organization of thought, ability to use a variety of grammar correctly, depth of vocabulary and accurate pronunciation.
Nothing mysterious about it.
The listening part of the test is comprised of different accents, the majority being British.
The writing part accepts British or American spelling and the reading part is written by teams of writers from various native English speaking countries to avoid any single country bias.
Again, the purpose of this test is not to earn some shiny certificate, it is to identify if you will be able to function in an English academic (although there is a vocational version) environment.
I don't see why fee-based testing is seen as something so sinister. Education is a business like any other. It isn't so sacrosanct. (no I don't work for IELTS before anyone accuses me)
Besides, I think you need a 5 or 6 on the HSK to enter a Chinese university (for anything other than studying Chinese). The HSK isn't free, although you could probably just put that 500 RMB registration fee directly into a red envelope to the admissions office secretary and save yourself plenty of time and effort.
mike08
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When one considers that most professional organisations in Australia are now demanding that applicants have a minimum pass of seven in each of the four bands in the IELTS test, one has to ask oneself, what does this mean?
Only 4% of candidates who sit for the IELTS exam receive a minimum of 7 is in each band. Therefore, in a group of 1000 candidates, of the 960 people who fail to achieve seven in the four bands, how many of the year's will be blocked from entering their chosen profession?
The question that one is entitled to ask is, how accurate is the IELTS exam in measuring one's proficiency in English language? To date, I've never found an independent research paper that answers this question. If anyone knows of one, please send me the link.
seabreeze98
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I agree with waitaitai/ATD that many of the Chinese students taking IELTS tests can't write English properly and then complain about the unreasonableness of the tests. People here are fed standard answers to questions that might be asked by examiners without them taking the time to learn the specifics behind.
When I took the HSK exams some years ago, it was more as a way of knowing where I stood in my Chinese language proficiency. I did take the usual HSK courses offered by the school where you are trained to memorise some grammars by heart and practice questions. But the HSK courses would not be of too much help in understanding the Chinese language by itself. Just like the IELTS courses probably don't really enhance your understanding of the English language. Most likely learn some grammar, some expressions and some vocabularies by heart.
Not getting the script of correct answers is a slight annoyance, but then most (all?) international language tests don't, there is no reason to fret unnecessarily about it.
I missed out on an HSK7 by a thread, which should have meant I have a reasonable, average-ish understanding of the Chinese language. But the number of times my Chinese friends told me "use English, I have no idea what you mean" shows that the test itself doesn't guarantee your grasp of the language is at such level.
I think we also too often say "your English is not bad, actually it is quite good" to some Chinese people when their English is clearly below par. We do it to try and be kind to them, or because compared to the usual Chinglish we hear around us everyday, they do seem better. But it's still not that good compared to native speakers. Unfortunately, many Chinese people will go on thinking that "this laowai said my English is good, I must be good in English". Where as we, foreigners, have learnt to tune out the "your Chinese is good" as being just empty, polite words.
Erm, I seem to have digressed. I'm off this thread.
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silkywave
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If so, why not to enhance both IELTS and HSK rather than to bear both?
See what mikes said, only rare people can get 7 for the 4 bands.
We are not native english speaker, I think it is not right for us to use all my life to study english, there are all kinds of things need us to do.
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zhenlai
Re: Problems in IELTS
To dilute the test to accommodate people who haven't worked hard enough to learn the language sufficiently to gain the score they need or desire is ridiculous. If everyone were able to gain a score sufficient for acceptance to a western college then the educational system in other countries would be diluted and would be brought down to Chinese school level.
Instead of diluting the IELTS test we need to make it more difficult.
美国鬼子
silkywave
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There are more difficult english test, IELTS and GRE.
My point is, different english tests have different language sense and vocabulary range, so necessary materials is a must.
You may say that if you are really good at english, you can pass any exam, but that is not the truth, as someone said, sometimes even you are really good at english, it doesn't necessarily mean you can pass all the exams.
I personally prefer to have really good english rather than being an exam expert.
You want us to take the test to earn money, or you really hope to find talented people to go to your country to learn?
ur hot..is that why ur sweating?
alex the droog
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If you want to study in a foreign country, you must have a more than adequate level of English.
How f-ing difficult is that to understand?
silkywave
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Sure you are right.
But IELTS is not fair enough to judge this or I am not convinced of that.
It is suspicious there is blackbox operation.
That is all.
ur hot..is that why ur sweating?
zhenlai
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Silky the GRE is for a higher level of education and even some American students must take it. I did and I sweated it over the two days it sat. I did not score perfectly on the test but I did more than well enough to be accepted into graduate school.
What would make the IELTS more fair? I think it is far too easy.
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silkywave
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That is lovely to say. Even zhenlai bended over GRE.
To you it is easy, to me, it is not, so I hope the answer card.
ur hot..is that why ur sweating?