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Best expat bank account, Beijing

Hello all,

I'm moving to Beijing in September and would like some advice about which bank/bank accounts are the best rated by expats. I've heard and read some horror stories about noone speaking any english and having to queue for hours to get anything done...surely they can't all be like that?!

I just require a basic account (or perhaps a joint account) with a VISA (or equivalent) debit card that my RO will pay my salary into. Ideally I'd also like an English internet banking facility.

I understand that HSBC private bank is one that is recommended - they require a certain amount of capital in the account at all times but are likely to give a good service. Does anyone have any experience of them?

Any advice on the best (and the ones to avoid) would be great.

Thanks in advance!


Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

HSBC. CMB is okay. Avoid ICBC.

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

Most Chinese banks I've been to usually have someone that speaks English. I've used Citic, ICBC, and Bank of China without any problems, other than queuing.

For your purposes, though, you might want to check out Standard Bank. They can give you an international credit card. So can Lloyds TSB, but they're more of a pain in the a$$ to open an account with.

I haven't had any personal experience with HSBC, but my impression is that tend to be heavy in the fee department.

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

Thanks for the advice.

Have you had current accounts at all 3 banks?

Do you know if any of them offer internet banking facilities? I have a UK account with LLoyds TSB but didn't know that they had branches in Beijing!

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

CMB sucks if you have a Mac as their internet banking only works for PCs. And even if you can get it, it's only in Chinese.

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

Untrue, CMB e-banking system is in english !
I would recommend CMB.

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

I have just opened an account at the Bank of China. Good experience around except for the queuing for long periods of time.

International funds transfer went through overnight, account accepts CNY and many foriegn currencies, currency exchange took 5 minutes,local debit card with Union Pay access.

Their internet is in english and has some glitches. Found out eventually that if you load it in "InPrivate Browsing" on IE8 all the problems go away. Limited online bill pay facilites are available along with domestic and international transfers.

The Bank is an agent for China Unicom so I can also pay my home phone, internet and my wifes mobile all from the bank or the internet.

Like you I read many horror stories before comming to China. I have gotta say, that has not been my experience....Yet...

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

dawgstarman wrote:
Most Chinese banks I've been to usually have someone that speaks English. I've used Citic, ICBC, and Bank of China without any problems, other than queuing.

For your purposes, though, you might want to check out Standard Bank. They can give you an international credit card. So can Lloyds TSB, but they're more of a pain in the a$$ to open an account with.

I haven't had any personal experience with HSBC, but my impression is that tend to be heavy in the fee department.

Since when has Lloyds or even Standard Chartered been authorized to issue credit cards in Mainland China?

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

bobarctor wrote:
Untrue, CMB e-banking system is in english !
I would recommend CMB.

I just went over to check and their online banking in English sucks. It is extremely basic compared with, say, ICBC.

Also, the China Merchants Bank online banking English version only supports ATM / debit cards and does not support credit cards.

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

gdbill wrote:
bobarctor wrote:
Untrue, CMB e-banking system is in english !
I would recommend CMB.

I just went over to check and their online banking in English sucks. It is extremely basic compared with, say, ICBC.

Also, the China Merchants Bank online banking English version only supports ATM / debit cards and does not support credit cards.

I didn't find that... I mean beside the current balance and past transactions what else do you expect to find ?
For the credit card, you have to log on the chinese version first and later switch to english.

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

bobarctor wrote:
gdbill wrote:
bobarctor wrote:
Untrue, CMB e-banking system is in english !
I would recommend CMB.

I just went over to check and their online banking in English sucks. It is extremely basic compared with, say, ICBC.

Also, the China Merchants Bank online banking English version only supports ATM / debit cards and does not support credit cards.

I didn't find that... I mean beside the current balance and past transactions what else do you expect to find ?
For the credit card, you have to log on the chinese version first and later switch to english.

False. The English version of the Merchants Bank credit card online banking is totally non-functional at this point. It never has worked. If you call the number on the back of your card they will explain it to you; they are still working on it and expect it to be up and running maybe this year.

What else do I expect to find?

1. Ability to transfer funds between banks;
2. Ability to perform wire transfers;
3. Ability to buy / sell foreign currency to pay my credit card statement;
4. Ability to buy / sell government bonds;
5. Ability to buy / sell mutual funds;
6. Ability to completely manage my credit cards;
7. Ability to pay utility and telephone bills;
8. Ability to open new Cd accounts and close any other accounts I may wish to close;
9. Quite a few other things that don't come to mind now, but which I may wish to do.

All this and more can be done -- in English -- with ICBC's online banking function.

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

gdbill wrote:
bobarctor wrote:
gdbill wrote:
bobarctor wrote:
Untrue, CMB e-banking system is in english !
I would recommend CMB.

I just went over to check and their online banking in English sucks. It is extremely basic compared with, say, ICBC.

Also, the China Merchants Bank online banking English version only supports ATM / debit cards and does not support credit cards.

I didn't find that... I mean beside the current balance and past transactions what else do you expect to find ?
For the credit card, you have to log on the chinese version first and later switch to english.

False. The English version of the Merchants Bank credit card online banking is totally non-functional at this point. It never has worked. If you call the number on the back of your card they will explain it to you; they are still working on it and expect it to be up and running maybe this year.

What else do I expect to find?

1. Ability to transfer funds between banks;
2. Ability to perform wire transfers;
3. Ability to buy / sell foreign currency to pay my credit card statement;
4. Ability to buy / sell government bonds;
5. Ability to buy / sell mutual funds;
6. Ability to completely manage my credit cards;
7. Ability to pay utility and telephone bills;
8. Ability to open new Cd accounts and close any other accounts I may wish to close;
9. Quite a few other things that don't come to mind now, but which I may wish to do.

All this and more can be done -- in English -- with ICBC's online banking function.

I'd say that's a pretty good argument for ICBC if true.

Do you know if their savings accounts also have these online features available?

"China is a big country, inhabited by many Chinese."
--Charles de Gaulle

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

Monkey King wrote:
gdbill wrote:
bobarctor wrote:
gdbill wrote:
bobarctor wrote:
Untrue, CMB e-banking system is in english !
I would recommend CMB.

I just went over to check and their online banking in English sucks. It is extremely basic compared with, say, ICBC.

Also, the China Merchants Bank online banking English version only supports ATM / debit cards and does not support credit cards.

I didn't find that... I mean beside the current balance and past transactions what else do you expect to find ?
For the credit card, you have to log on the chinese version first and later switch to english.

False. The English version of the Merchants Bank credit card online banking is totally non-functional at this point. It never has worked. If you call the number on the back of your card they will explain it to you; they are still working on it and expect it to be up and running maybe this year.

What else do I expect to find?

1. Ability to transfer funds between banks;
2. Ability to perform wire transfers;
3. Ability to buy / sell foreign currency to pay my credit card statement;
4. Ability to buy / sell government bonds;
5. Ability to buy / sell mutual funds;
6. Ability to completely manage my credit cards;
7. Ability to pay utility and telephone bills;
8. Ability to open new Cd accounts and close any other accounts I may wish to close;
9. Quite a few other things that don't come to mind now, but which I may wish to do.

All this and more can be done -- in English -- with ICBC's online banking function.

I'd say that's a pretty good argument for ICBC if true.

Do you know if their savings accounts also have these online features available?

Yes, you can do all this and more with an ordinary savings account. The only exception would be buying US$ to pay of your foreign currency credit card debt if you didn't also have their credit card.

ICBC has the most comprehensive English version online banking I have found in China. Not saying ICBC is the best bank, but their online banking is pretty darned good.

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

This sounds pretty interesting, and may look into ICBC. I recently opened an account at CMB, which was pretty easy, and I was able to speak to someone who spoke English. But, in order to transfer money oversaeas...yes, kind of difficult. Their 'professional site' is only available in Mandarin...so, you have to find a trustworthy friend, who reads and speaks the language in order to help navigate through the interface software.

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

I took the advice from this thread and opened an ICBC account. So far, I haven't had any problems, although I haven't tried to do anything too complicated.

"China is a big country, inhabited by many Chinese."
--Charles de Gaulle

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

Monkey King wrote:
I took the advice from this thread and opened an ICBC account. So far, I haven't had any problems, although I haven't tried to do anything too complicated.

Although ICBC is far from perfect, I have found them over the years to be ahead of the rest.

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

so the advice about ICBC is still applicable after all these years?

I'm mostly interested in being able to use online banking on my mac

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

badr wrote:
so the advice about ICBC is still applicable after all these years?

I'm mostly interested in being able to use online banking on my mac

I'm not sure about using a Mac. I have heard, but never verified, that using a Mac might result in complications.

Other than that, ICBC has probably the best online banking going amongst the Chinese banks with English online banking.

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

I think ICBC and HSBC are the best option for this.

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Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

HI,

just landed in Beijing and opened an account with ICBC as that's the bank my company works with.

I'm trying to understand how to set up the Internet banking. How do I use the token card for example? It also seems I need to download some sw? Any idea on simple instructions to set it all up?

Thanks!

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

back in 2008/9, neither the ICBC nor BoC internet stuff could be set up and made to work on my Mac

highly doubt that's changed since, but haven't tried either

friend swears by the CMB online system - thinks it works great for him. he's also completely fluent in Chinese and has a computer degree ....

Re: Best expat bank account, Beijing

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