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Selling a home - questions

Does anyone have any familiarity or advice on any of the following?

1. Does PRC still restrict foreigners from purchasing a second property in Beijing?

2. What types of fees or taxes apply to foreigners who sell a property in Beijing? I have heard that there are extra taxes that foreigners must pay (that local citizens do not have to pay).


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People on Z visas must live in their property. You cannot rent it out. So, investment property seems not to be allowed.

Do not know about the tax issue, but a realtor would.

MadeinAmerica

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Can a wife purchase one property and the husband purchase yet another separate property? What is the regulation?

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You still cannot rent out the other property, so how can it be other than a negative investment?

MadeinAmerica

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Never said it would be for an investment. Does the law permit a foreign couple - wife purchase one property and husband purchase another property? So, for example, this might help ease daily commutes when each of them work on different sides of Beijing. Or when one simply wants to get away from the other for a few days.

Trying to figure out if the govt determines that a "couple" can only have one apartment. Or if each individual is permitted to purchase their own - thus a total of two apartments for the couple.

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coco-nuts wrote:
Can a wife purchase one property and the husband purchase yet another separate property? What is the regulation?

Yes. It is per person.

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

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MadeinAmerica wrote:
People on Z visas must live in their property. You cannot rent it out. So, investment property seems not to be allowed.

Do not know about the tax issue, but a realtor would.

False.

The key is having bought the original house to use as your residence. If you have purchased the house and originally lived there, you can later move and rent the house out. You just cannot buy another one while owning the first.

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

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All the law forums still state that property is only for "self-use." I have not found anything to the contrary on any legal sites, though I did see one vague reference to a loosening of the rules in response to governement expectations of a 20% fall in property values in the coming year.

Regardless, OP does not plan to rent.

Obviously, OP is better off getting advice from a real estate lawyer in Beijing than getting it on here.

MadeinAmerica

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This is one of the best sites I know of on this stuff...
http://www.chinalawblog.com/2007/02/foreign_ownership_of_real_esta.html

Still seems to me that once rented the property is considered commercial under the law.

MadeinAmerica

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From the China Daily News...

"China had in July 2006 launched a policy restricting property purchases by foreigners. As per the rules, only expatriates who have studied or lived in China for more than one year can buy property, with the purchase capped at one apartment for self-use.

The municipal government did away with the restriction temporarily last year as property prices in Beijing fell sharply during the global financial crisis.

The resumption of the curbs has had an obvious impact on the luxury residential segment. According to the research department of Centaline China, from Jan 1 to Jan 20, sales of apartments valued at over 3 million yuan ($439,438.11) in Beijing dropped 40.3 percent over the same period last year, the first drop since the second half of 2009...

"One of the major barriers is the currency. For those who don't work in China, they are allowed to exchange only a maximum of $50,000, which is not even enough to pay the down payment."

Note: You can use your foreign funds for purchasing a home in China, but the true cost is then whatever it ends up being given the bank fees and exchange rate at time of purchase.

MadeinAmerica

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MadeinAmerica wrote:
All the law forums still state that property is only for "self-use." I have not found anything to the contrary on any legal sites, though I did see one vague reference to a loosening of the rules in response to governement expectations of a 20% fall in property values in the coming year.

Regardless, OP does not plan to rent.

Obviously, OP is better off getting advice from a real estate lawyer in Beijing than getting it on here.

That's what happens when you read something remotely related and assume it covers other areas without having any experience whatsoever in the issue.

Been there ... done that. As long as you bought the apartment for your main residence, what you do afterwards is up to you. They cannot mandate what you can do with property you own as long as when it was purchased you followed the law and bought it with the intent to live in it.

What kind of moron would think that you buy a house, decide to live somewhere else (maybe closer to work) and must leave it sit empty for the rest of your life until you decide to sell it?

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

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Actually, enforcement in China occurs when you want to sell and repatriate the money to your home country. That is when everything is checked.

I do not know "what kind of moron" might write the laws in China as I have not met him.

I only know what I learned in investigating investment property there. And, what I learned suggested it was not favorable for foreigners who do not intend to spend their life living in the property (unless we are willing to put it into our Chinese wife's name).

And the "leave empty" part is why there was debate on extra taxing for empty properties there. Perhaps you do not read so much on real estate there.

I admit, it all seems a bit fuzzy, like everything in China, but I do believe that the situation is very unstable as to a person on a Z visa being able to rent or not. Did you actually look at any of the links? It appears to change with the property market as the government seeks to push it forward or tries to hold it back.

Anyway, my last post on the topic as it is getting boring to me.

MadeinAmerica

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MadeinAmerica wrote:
Actually, enforcement in China occurs when you want to sell and repatriate the money to your home country. That is when everything is checked.

I do not know "what kind of moron" might write the laws in China as I have not met him.

I only know what I learned in investigating investment property there. And, what I learned suggested it was not favorable for foreigners who do not intend to spend their life living in the property (unless we are willing to put it into our Chinese wife's name).

And the "leave empty" part is why there was debate on extra taxing for empty properties there. Perhaps you do not read so much on real estate there.

I admit, it all seems a bit fuzzy, like everything in China, but I do believe that the situation is very unstable as to a person on a Z visa being able to rent or not. Did you actually look at any of the links? It appears to change with the property market as the government seeks to push it forward or tries to hold it back.

Anyway, my last post on the topic as it is getting boring to me.

Wrong again.

When you sell your property and want to convert the RMb into foreign currency there is no "enforcement." The only thing that happens behind the scenes is that it can be determined whether or not this is the only property you own. Sincenobody is claiming that you can -- or should -- have more than one property at a time, the issue is moot. What they do not check is if you or anybody else is living in the apartment at the time it is sold.

Instead of making statements about specifics on buying / owning property when you have no direct experience in the matter, why not stick to something you do know -- like how to precisely pour milk over a bowl of cold cereal?

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

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And you have posted how many links on current law? Blowing smoke out your ass is easy, getting anyone to believe you is a bit harder.

MadeinAmerica

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MadeinAmerica wrote:
And you have posted how many links on current law? Blowing smoke out your ass is easy, getting anyone to believe you is a bit harder.

Any moron can post a link, especially -- as in your case -- links that do not directly address the issue.

When you can actually afford to buy yourself a house, try it and speak from experience instead of your lame armchair quarterback crap.

Next thing you'll post a few links to some doctor's website and then call yourself a brain surgeon.

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

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Do not buy a property/flat/house in China.

This is China. Private property is not respected the same as in a western country. It is harder to keep private property than in a western country.

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Let me express further:

Will you buy a property/flat/house in Iran or North Korea?

It probably just needs a night for China to become the same situation as in Iran/ North Korea.

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ReneeWine wrote:
Let me express further:

Will you buy a property/flat/house in Iran or North Korea?

It probably just needs a night for China to become the same situation as in Iran/ North Korea.

Let me guess ... you are retarded, right?

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

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ReneeWine wrote:
Do not buy a property/flat/house in China.

This is China. Private property is not respected the same as in a western country. It is harder to keep private property than in a western country.

What do you know about property rights in Western countries? Have you ever even been to a Western country? And, no, Harbin is not a foreign country.

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

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Quote:
Do not buy a property/flat/house in China.

This is China. Private property is not respected the same as in western Europe/Canada/USA/NewZealand/Australia/Japan. It is harder to keep private property in China than in western Europe/Canada/USA/NewZealand/Australia/Japan.

Let me express further:

Will you buy a property/flat/house in Iran or North Korea?

It probably just needs a night for China to become the same situation as in Iran/ North Korea.

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ReneeWine wrote:
Quote:
Do not buy a property/flat/house in China.

This is China. Private property is not respected the same as in western Europe/Canada/USA/NewZealand/Australia/Japan. It is harder to keep private property in China than in western Europe/Canada/USA/NewZealand/Australia/Japan.

Let me express further:

Will you buy a property/flat/house in Iran or North Korea?

It probably just needs a night for China to become the same situation as in Iran/ North Korea.

^ Brain-dead.

I pity your "students."

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

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I pity anyone who knows you gdbill.

MadeinAmerica

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MadeinAmerica wrote:
I pity anyone who knows you gdbill.

I'm sorry. If it makes you feel any better, I can try to be as big a moron as you.

Now please go read some articles on www.webdoctor.com and come back and teach us how to be brain surgeons, too.

Earth is full. Go home.

"Truth is not a commodity in short supply: The problem is, there's very little demand for it." -- ???

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Good idea, can I practice on you? I will get my magnifying glass and sterlize the tweezers.

Geez, some people have self-yanking chains...

MadeinAmerica

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