The sheep have left mate

Odd, isn't it? China claims anything at all, and you Westerners go pissing vitroil and shitting hot lead ingots. Yet, since the days of Woodrow Wilson, the U.S. government( and its 走狗, England)have claimed an almost unlimited right to go adjusting the world's boundaries as they see fit. A test for you: try telling any politically astute American Indian that he has no right to continue whining after the wrongs he suffered hit the hundred year mark. Till you've done that, stay the hell out of forums where all you can do is whine about how evil the Cuinese are.

Not that I agree with Tommy, but zhenlai, your post itself seems quite double-standard, care to elaborate?

If you click on the linked article and read it or use the scroll function and read the posts prior to yours you will find an incredible lack of vitriol being pissed or lead ingots being sh*t, so what are you going on about?

I have a couple of good friends that are Native Americans(they can be considered politically astute) and I have no recollection of any whining being done by them, but then again they are off the res.

I do find it odd that you seem to be determined to exclude history with regard to present day situations in many instances around the world. Please explain something to me, when does this cut of point get reached and why. Do we say give it 100 years or 4 or 5 generations. What is the criteria for deciding when history can no longer be considered a factor?

So your take on why blacks and native Americans among other minorities in the US remain marginalized is because they simply need to make that acceptance stronger and stronger?

Care to elaborate there do you? If you can do provide practical ways to make this happen because making that acceptance stronger and stronger isn't the most convincing argument.

As a matter of fact, xinjiang and Tibetan people do have their say in governing those areas, it is said in the law. Why in the past most government afficials in Xinjiang and Tibet are Hans? Because the locals are not educated, you cannot let a illiterate be a ruler, can you? That is why these days, many Tibetans and Xijiangers go to universities in Beijing and other big cities to learn Mandarin, law and agricultural science, etc. When they graduate, law graduates can take the national civil servants' test to work in law inforcement, while agricultural science students can grow corps with advanced science and technologies, etc.

Well, how many Hans officials speak Tibetans?

Alishan, I saw on TV the other day, an old Han spoke fluent Tibetan after spending half of his life in the Tibetan government.

I think, why should Tibetans learn Mandarin? Because policies and laws released by central authorities are IN MANDARIN. So as a governor, you must be able to read and translate them to your native language and then make public.

There is nothing wrong with that, Herbie. I do think China is lacking in formal schools or universities that teach and maintain their culture and customs. The government should have built more schools and Universites in southern Xinjiang, where the minorities live. On the other hand, the harsh fact is, As an average Tibetan or Xijianger, if you don't accept the reality, bow down to Han government and study hard to change your life completely, you will forever remain a poor Nang seller! I feel sorry for that!

Its funny how the Chinese with all this talk of the Middle Kingdom etc etc would be the last people to take kindly to foreign occupation. Just look at the unpopularity of the Japanese to this day and all the pouting and gesturing China did till the Brits gave them back Hong Kong. However when it comes to Tibet and Xinjiang seeking self determination it becomes all about those poor simple Uighur and Tibetans they need their fellow Han countrymen to tell them what to do coz frankly if left to their own devices they are liable to climb up the nearest trees and start flinging their own feces at each other.

Well don't you know south Korea is the evil country threatening the happy hard working and prosperous people of NK?

You should read a book sometime