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Driving legal in Beijing

hi

I am thinking of buying a small moto (not more than 125cc). how can i drive it legally,if i'm not yet 18? can i already apply for a driving licence? and what about insurance and plates?
if this is not possible, can i legally drive a <50cc petrol bike?


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no

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ok diffrent question: what am I allowed to drive?

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an electric bike

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why not a 48cc bike? i thought they do not need a driving licence because they count as a electric bike and do not exceed 60 km per hour...

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anything gas powered = license required

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Have you got it now? You need driving license and motor bike license.

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All completely true, yes.
Or, you could just do like 98 percent of the other bikers in Bj do, buy a bike, and just ride it and not give a f***.
Because the reality is that hardly anybody ever gets stopped.
If they did get stopped, do you really think you would see so many motorcycles, powered rickshaws, powered carts etc etc etc with no plates or docs whatsoever all over the streets of Beijing?

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i have to disagree...

..i think the original poster must be from Canada/America or somewhere like that where we are legally allowed to drive scooters under 50cc's without a license..although they do still have to be licensed/registered..but dont assume because you can do it in America you can do it here..check into all the Chinese laws regarding vehicles and follow them.

..and I think what nugaze said would've been more appropriate 5 years ago..these days the police do set-up regular check-stops to catch motorcyclists without licenses, registration, etc...and confiscate the vehicle on the spot. I know a lot of foreigners who've got in trouble for this over the last few years..this ain't old beijing anymore...dont think the cops will leave you alone because of your blonde hair and blue eyes..in today's beijing that just draws extra unwanted attention. Why do you think so many foreiners now drive electric scooters compared to us all driving gas-powered bikes 5 years ago? Cause electric bikes dont require any licenses/registration and the police ARE getting way tougher.

~ Although I feel super-old just for writing something like this (I'm 32 and consider myself to be much less mature lol), I don't think it's very responsible to give an underage foreigner advise to break Chinese laws and put himself and others at risk of a vehicle accident possibly causing death or worse horrible disfigurement that prevents him from getting laid ever again! YOU READ ME??? if you wanna continue pursuing young Chinese pu$$y then dont kill yourself on an illegal bike!

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so you think your age has anything to do with riding safely?
how would i know?
iv been riding legally for the past 31 years.
you like telling people what to do dont you?
the poster with the advice was selling their wares, they dont giv a f*** about 16 year olds safety. so why dont you take up your advice giving with the tens of thousands of chinese bikers in bj and f*** right off. you sound like an authoritarian dictator. tell the guy the truth and let him make his own mind up.

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i already told him the correct answer to his question: an electric bike. then the thread turned into an ad, people trying to make cash out of him and others. i dont give advice to anyone. you so called 'professional' bikers are like a bunch of old women. why dont you sell the bike and buy a volvo. thats good advice from som1 that doeznt giv advice

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are you talking to me? hahha.. great, it's been years since i've got into a 'flame war' on a forum..lol...

I actually think your age has a LOT to do with riding safely. When me and my friends were around 20 we all had super-hot streetbikes and one by one crashed them all.. I think age AND experience are the two biggest factors in safe driving of any kind. but where we come from usually they go hand in hand as we start driving just as soon as we're legally allowed to.

Age - as you mature you dont pull such stupid sh*t as you would've when you're younger and trying to impress people

Experience - well, goes without saying right? due to past experiences you are better equipped to handle unexpected situations you might meet.

..I'm not discouraging anyone from doing anything, i think riding a streetbike as a young adult is an awesome experience and at 32 years old i'm driving a race-ready, modified lancer.. if a 17 year old wants to get a scooter that's cool, just do it legally and wear a helmet..
i'm just saying let's not go telling underage minor's to break-laws and do things to get themselves in trouble in a country like China... i think that's being irresponsible of you. Again, sorry to sound like a senior citizen but if i've learned anything here it's that your life will be a heck of a lot easier if you stay on the right side of the law..it's very easy to take short-cuts in China but in the long run you'll end up paying more and losing more.. this is true of visas, driving, working, or any way you might be tempted to cheat because the beauracracy is such a pain

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That goes without saying in any country. We all know that. If somebody doesn't want to obey the rules, neither you nor I is going to stop them. I don't break rules, I stop at red lights. But 90 percent of bikers don't. The consequences of that are as you can imagine, these are not normal driving conditions.

But I think you've heard the saying, "when in Rome..."

I've met a lot of middle aged very bad drivers.

Maybe giving practical advice like watch out for huge potholes, cars that suddenly pull out, cars that suddenly stop in the middle of the road etc.

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Right, which explains why most Chinese drivers are so horrible. Although they may be middle-aged they've probably been driving for 5 years or less.. An entire city of 5 million new drivers! No wonder it's just like a big game of bumper cars out there. Here's my advice to any foreigner who's starting to drive:
Remember you are not just driving for yourself but need to be driving for everyone else on the road. What I mean is no matter how safe/well u may drive nobody else does so u gotta be aware of everyone around you and anticipate them doing exactly the wrong thing. U really gotta be 100% conscious of every other car, bicycle, pedestrian around you. That guy in the middle lane? He probably gonna turn left without warning with u in the inside lane. That pedestrian is not looking while crossing the street.. And guaranteed while your in someone's blind spot he's gonna change lanes without shoulder checking and hit you... For that matter, never sit in someone's blind spot in china. Never.

Honestly driving in china is very tiring and not just cause of the hours inching forward in traffic but because you're always on edge looking out for mistakes other people are going to make. Everyday brings at least one near-accident and the other driver probably wont have even noticed.

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Right, which explains why most Chinese drivers are so horrible. Although they may be middle-aged they've probably been driving for 5 years or less.. An entire city of 5 million new drivers!

Doesn't matter if they have been only driving 5 years. After they have drivedn for ten years they will drive even worse.

The problem is they do not get any feedback. If u drive for ten years and have never received a traffic violation and then suddenly get two in one week, do u think your driving skills were great for ten years and then suddenly declined? No. They gradually declined but you did not realize it because you received no feedback. (A ticket)

If the BJ police stopped eveyone for evey violation, YES it would be a mess for awhile, but after one year we would have some drivers who followed the laws, were polite, and didnt cause self inflicted traffic jams due to their attitude that their time is more importatn than anyone else's.

Go figure, Tokyo has a higher quantity of cars on the road and half the traffic jams as BJ, because the people drive according to the law.

Give these China drivers feedback (Traffic violation tickets and a fine) for every rule they break without exception, and in one year this place has more cars and less traffic jams, not to mention the police have a nice positive cash flow.

If your hungover and wishing you were dead, then its not so bad. If your hungover and wondering why your not dead it might be bad.

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Oh yes! Yes! Yes! I do agree with that too. Haha

Seriously, I'd love to be a traffic cop for just a week. I'd have the highest amount of tickets given ever!
But if u think beijings bad try driving in any 2nd tier city.. I tell ya Beijing drivers seem positively polite and curteous in comparison. Probably because as the capital laws are more strictly enforced here than elsewhere.. Chengdu, Kunming, Zhengzhou, or Xian, take your pick... They are all so scary to drive in. Honestly I doubt I would've started driving if I lived anywhere other than Beijing.

I once got creamed by a full-size public bus when the driver, who wasn't looking, decided to abruptly turn left from the the far-right lane without any indication and i was passing her on a freeway..and the bus driver took off!!! A hit and run by a public bus! Once I recovered my wits we had to go chasing HER down and when we did find the bus she tried claiming it wasn't her... Until we called the cops and pointed out the corresponding paint color of each others vehicles where both our damage was... Despite the traffic jams, I repeat, Beijing drivers are actually pretty good (compared to the rest of china that is)

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Yes, I agree with you. Compared to secondary and tertuary tier cities, they are more civilzed here and safer. Also driving is safer in Beijing. Try driving in a village and you will come across people who have never been in a vehicle so they have no idea on how long it takes to stop and think the vehicle can just stop on a dime at any speed. Really drive defensively in this case.

But my point was the self-induced traffic jams.

Also, I think u were very lucky with your unfortunate bus incident. According to Chinese law, if there is a collision between two vehicles and one tries to avoid judgement by fleeing, the other vehicle should remain in the original position and not chase the other, but report to the police and get the license if lucky enough. If you chase, they can easily say you fled the incident scene also.

Happy, defensive driving in BJ. I am accustomed to it. I drive a black Merceds and a new Harley Davidson motorcyle here. I am fully legal with driver license, went through the motorcycle course, etc. And I follow the laws, even though laowais do not normally get pulled over on bikes and if they do, nothing really happens. But I wanted the peace of mind, so I had to pay allot of rmb for an original A Jing motorcycle plate which BJ does not even issue anymore. (Most have fake (jia de) plates from Hebei. But even BJ has their price and half the money went under the table.
But I am happy about it because I am fully legal, not breakig any laws in China, and have my peace of mind when I pull up next to an officer at a red light. Kiss

If your hungover and wishing you were dead, then its not so bad. If your hungover and wondering why your not dead it might be bad.

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btw, I used to have a driver when I first arrived to China, but it was a pain in the *ss. he wanted to be my friend too much and get too close. had to always call and tell him what time to be where, etc. He was my driver, not my friend. So once my comfort level rose, I dismissed him and I have to say it is much better driving yourself here and never waiting for someone else to come get you.

btw, the fee for the motorcycle license has risen to 1980 rmb, not the lessor amoutn stated in a previous post. But the course is still a joke. Government sponsored, no safety helmits, 90 cc bikes, maybe the brakes and lights work, maybe not. But the goal is to get a license so be happy and enjoy.

I just played like I did not understand Chinse, so when the instructor wanted me to do the figure * I went straight and hit all four or five gears and had him somewhat excited yelling "no no laowai. Stop. You don't understand." Still passed the course. So since you have to go there, try to have fun.

If your hungover and wishing you were dead, then its not so bad. If your hungover and wondering why your not dead it might be bad.

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That goes without saying in any country. We all know that. If someone doesn t want to comply with the rules, and not to kill. I am a ' break the rules, the red indicator light, don must stop. 90% of bikers don but 't. consequences of that are you can imagine, these are not, in normal driving conditions.

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