can your employer make you pay your full working visa fee if THEY break your contract????? and can they cancel my visa?
Hi my employer of 7 months told me last week that they were going to cancel my work contract making up various excuses and they didnt want to pay me my full salary for my last month and only agreed to if i paid for my visa fee which they said 10,100 RMB! My contract says that they can make me do that, though ive heard from other people that it has been illegal for 2 years to make the employee pay for their visa when they originally paid for it!
Does anyone know if there is anyone who can help? ive heard of the psp and the state bureau of foreign experts? does anyone know there phone number or email address?
Does any body know about this and what the rules and regulations are?
Thanks for any feed back
English Rose




iwishicouldfly
Re: can your employer make you pay your full working visa ...
English Rose. Don't take this the wrong way, but you sound a bit ignorant in your post. Do you know how to use the internet? You need someone to find an email address or phone number for you??? The fact of the matter is that your chinese company can do anything they want. Neither the PSP nor any other Chinese agency can help you. These places are not in the business to represent foriegners in these types of matters. Your Chinese company does not have to give you any money and they can ask you to pay for your visa; it does not matter how many times you think you have paid for it. Do you know where you are? Wake up. You are in China. Foreign rules do not apply here. The term "illegal" is a relative term in the world of Chinese business practices.
However, in these types of situations, threatening to call the foreign experts bureau or PSP has been known to help. Of course these agencies will not help you, but if your company is like most Chinese companies that hire foreigners, they are trying to stay under the radar and they will do all they can to avoid attention from law enforcement agencies or legal battles. They might be willing to at least compromise. If you are dealing with low level branch management, you will probably need to go higher and deal with the head hancho of the company to maximize the effectiveness of your threats.
Good luck....but I would not set my expectations too high. Just be happy you got the salary you did get and if you cannot resolve the visa issue, just come up with around 5000 rmb and find a visa agency. They will get you another visa.
English Rose
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How do you not expect me to take this the wrong way. You are being patronizing.
Yes i do know how to use the internet, ive been sat looking for contact details for these companies and messaging them but have not heard back and i am wondering if i have the wrong email address and myabe someone has been in my situation or similar and can give me good advice rather than make me stupid for thinking i could get anything done.
I was told other people have been to these companies and even on my contract it says if there is a dispute then to go to them and resolve it.
I would have to pay 10,100 to pay off my visa otherwise i would still have to pay 5-6000 rmb for a business visa which would mean im working illegally and i still dont want to have to pay out the money if i have a visa already.
i will justy have to hope i can sort this out and contact my embassy i have been given better advice from other people that dont think i have to pay them any money
ZhongNanHai
Re: can your employer make you pay your full working visa ...
The actual fee for a working visa is 400 RMB.
Bannoy
Re: can your employer make you pay your full working visa ...
If you are hired legally and have a working visa with your school then you are protected by Chinese law. Regulations were released last year which means that companies hiring foreign nationals are required to provide insurance and even social benefits payments. Find out if your visa is from the labour bureau or the foreign experts bureau, then speak to the responsible department.
There is a great deal of variety in Chinese contracts and without seeing the contract I cannot make any comments as to your particular situation but here are some general rules. If you are out of your probation period you are entitled to a 30 day notice period. If they observed this then yes they can terminate the contract unilaterally. As it is mentioned in the contract, you are in a much weaker position so lets assume that you will have to pay something so lets talk about that.
If they hired you legally then your visa cost should be around RMB800 depending upon which government branch it was issued by. If they went through an agent then it will be 4K – 5K which means they are trying to fleece you. If everything was done above board and legal then threatening to hold your salary is a serious breach of contract and as such you should collect emails and correspondences and go speak to the governing body responsible.
Could you please send me the information of this school so I can make a more informed evaluation as if it is a smaller school then you are less likely to get any kind of satisfactory result. If it is larger then there is some hope.
The situation described by iwishicanfly only applies to small schools that legally can't issue visas anyway and have to go through an agent. This is not quite the wild west and there are some rules.
English Rose
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Hi thanks for your advice.
The school i work at is The Education Training Centre of Shuguang Distract, Haidian. I have an address if you want it too. Ive also got a business card that says The Affiliated High School of Peking University. it may alo be called Pearson or they use Pearson!!
Ive spoke to a colleague and she believes are visa's are fakes and not legal as she said they went through a agent or something, and when i went to the place to sort out my visa, i remember meeting some guy that was there to help me sort out my visa, and he dont think he works at our school.
If it is a fake can they still try to make me pay 10,100 RMB for my visa do you think?
They told on new years eve that i would have my hours cut and then a few days later they said that they would cancel my contract, they haven't given me anything in writing to say they are giving me 30 days notice and they wont give me my release letter until we have come to a agreement about the money.
i dont have any written evidence of what they are saying its only been verbal. i could maybe text her and get a reply that i could show to the foreign expert bureau or labor bureau.
alwn1708
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I would'nt bother with the British Embassy,they will only help you with consular assistance and not get involved with contractual disputes with an employer.
I once came across a school that employed a visa gofer and it transpired they they just put everything through an agent,but the fee was only about 1000rmb.If you have a fake visa how did you get your residence permit,because you have to show your visa to the entry and exit office and the police?
It could well be lawyer time.......
Life is like a jar of jalapenos,what you do today might burn your ass tomorrow
English Rose
Re: can your employer make you pay your full working visa ...
I dont know, my colleague reckons that its accepted but it is a fake! i dont know how! She reckons they get a company to sort it out and they prob show a fake diploma and some how get around it. im not sure.
i dont have the money to get a lawyer so will just have to try and contact some people and see what they say.
thanks
Bannoy
Re: can your employer make you pay your full working visa ...
There are no fake visas as far as I am aware. What they do is the agents find a company with an issued capital hire enough to employ foreigner, they then issue the visa through this company saying you are working there. Their contact at that company (normally HR) gets the bulk of the cash with the agent taking a cut and 400 - 800 going toward fees. This is normally around 5K - 6K.
I have NEVER heard of a visa costing 10K not even during the Olympics when there a Premium. They definitely went through an agent though, if it was issued by the company then they would be wanting to cancel your visa as soon as possible as they have a limited number of slots. Oh and you don't need a release letter unless your next company has to sponsor you, you can just let it elapse, go F then get a new Z after.
Could you please PM me with a copy of the contract and I will have a look through. Is cutting your hours in the contract? Were you in breach? If not, dude why did you sign this contract? You mentioned fake diploma, you have University degree right? If they forged documents to justify your Z visa then you are screwed.
What it boils down to is this - they want to not pay you to money they owe because they think there will be no repercussions. Generally that is true but you are gonna need to try and bluff. Starting collecting paperwork, record conversations if possible, as much as humanly possible. Get them to admit to the costs and everything. Then just go straight up and say unless they pay you then you will go to the PSB.
I would recommend starting to declare your intention to leave China before hand as the only thing that the PSB can do is kick you out if there is wrong doing on the visa side which they probably know. So if they think you are leaving it will at least take away the main weapon in the arsenal. If they call your bluff just go find a young looking police officer at the Foreign experts office, cry as much as possible and be a damsel in distress. They tend to be nicer to young women then their male counterparts
English Rose
Re: can your employer make you pay your full working visa ...
I dont have a diploma or degree but my colleague reckons that the agency may have made a fake one to get me a visa, tho my boss said the visa cost more because i dont have a diploma.
It doesnt say in my contract that they cut my hours and i didnt breach the contract, they just said that some kids had quit some classes and they were losing money and blamed me and didnt give me and warnings in writing or inform me that i may lose my job they just sprung it on me.
do you have a email address i could send you a copy of my contract to you?
I dont know how to send it as i dont have a scanner, i could try taking a picture of it if possible.
i wouldnt want to have to leave the country as my boyfriend is here and i have a apartment.
Some people have also said that they could cancel my resident permit, what is that? its not my visa is it? Im heading back to the UK next month and im worried that i wont be able to get back in the country.
Bannoy
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I am afraid you are kind of screwed because they can turn around and say that you gave them a fake one and that is why they fired you. Sorry. Incidentally I have heard of visas costing a bit more for fake Certs but still not in the area of 10K
Z visas generally have a minimum requirement of: degree + 2 years post graduate work experience. The degree can be waved by a long history of experience in a relevant field. Without it, getting a Z visa is tough.
Maybe you should go the F visa route? Get an agent to give you the letter, do it in the UK when you are back on the cheap and work part time. You can actually earn more part time if you schedule your hours properly.
Oh and not to scare you, what they did with your certificate was Immigration Fraud - as in deported and banned for life if caught, so please be careful when dealing with future visa applications. I know a guy who was in a similar position, did not know what fake certificate they gave him and when he tried it again with another agent got caught. He can not return for 3 years I'm told.
English Rose
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what certificate do you mean? how would i get caught?
i dont know if they did fake a diploma or not my friend just reckons they could have.
so you think there is nothing i can do know?
Bannoy
Re: can your employer make you pay your full working visa ...
Judging by your photo I am guessing you are probably under 30. They normally accept work experience in lieu of a University degree but you normally have to be much older and have worked in a specific industry for a number of years.
SAEFA Website: “The foreign educational expert should hold a minimum of a bachelor's degree and more than two years of experience."
If you have a Z visa it is very likely that they faked it.
It looks like there is very little you can do as you were complicit in the forgery. At this point just try and bargain with them. I'm assuming that the money they are requesting and the salary that they are holding are in a similar ballpark?
If so just negotiate and come to a settlement around the percentage of the contract you have completed e.g. work 3 out of twelve months then they give you 2525 etc.
Even though you have less than a leg to stand on you might get somthing back if you can convince them it would save them lots of time and trouble to just pay you what is rightfully yours as you have worked that time.
alwn1708
Re: can your employer make you pay your full working visa ...
You don't know what a residence permit is,how have you managed to live here? It's what the local police office issues you on production of your z-visa and lives inside of your passport!
Not being funny but reading some of your comments I worry about how you find your way home every day,no-one can be so naieve.Pearson is a teaching system,you don't know what you have been teaching?
As Bannoy says,in the eyes of SAFEA you need a bachelor and 2 years post-grad for a z-visa, no if's and no but's,that's the rules.The only way around this rule is to be employed as a foreign expert by a chinese company and quite rightly you have to be able to prove some demonstrable experience in the particular sector.
It is the same with green cards etc,a company has to prove that you can do the work that they cannot reasonably hire a local to do.
If you have a fake then you are certifiably screwed and you are an illegal alien,chances are that the school hired an agent and paid off bungs to get your visa it may well be real and at a price of 10k this could be how you have the said document in your mitt.
Hooky visas can vary enormously in price,depends on the agent,how much work they have to do and how many people involved (palms they have to polish) to get your docs.Don't forget that you live in a hugely corrupt country where trivial things like paperwork can be overlooked for the correct amount of mao's......just the way it is! I am not saying you have to do anything illegal,just the way things work.
You need Bannoys email and get him to check your contract,if your visas fake you may find your contract is too,or in the very least it will be onerous towards the school.
Lesson 1,if you sign a contract and don't speak chinese either ask for a translated copy or get one before you sign for a few mao it can save a lot of pain (as you can see!)
Yes you are in a difficult position,is is common for schools to blame a teacher and tell you that kids have quit classes,it's usually boll*ocks.The way (a lot) of schools operate is to continually recruit teachers to gap-fill,hence why you see so many adverts on here,the demand fluctuates and there is a ready source of willing takers so unfortuantely the less than ethical schools can afford to be quite mercenary,sorry but that's the way they work and by the sound of it this is what you have fallen victim to.
You may be able to get some advice from FESCO as well,they are an outsource HR company for foreign businesses in China, but I have managed to drag information from them before and they have an office in BJ.At least they may be able to point you in the right direction then you may be in a better position at the negotiating table,because without a lawyer this is here you will end up doing damage limitation,it's going to cost you......just the amount will vary.
Life is like a jar of jalapenos,what you do today might burn your ass tomorrow
iwishicouldfly
Re: can your employer make you pay your full working visa ...
English Rose...HA HA HA HA!!! You are funny. I usually do not respond to a post more than once, but, you are so funny. I would say border-line stupid is a more accurate description!! I suspected that you were not highly educated by reading your butchered English. You are actually teaching English??? You are just another typical uneducated native speaker that comes to China thinking they are "professional teachers" because you speak English. I agree with alwn1708 ..how do you find your way home at night??? Usually, a teacher's incompetance must be blatantly obvious before a school will fire you. I mean to say that you have to be so stupid that it is obvious to almost everyone. I tend to believe that you were let go for this reason. To put this in terms you may understand. After seven months at your company they clearly realized that you were a liability.
English Rose...save yourself a lot more humiliation and go back to where you came from...if you can figure out how to get to the airport..ha ha ha ...and call it a lesson learned. If you insist on staying, you have the look that chinese guys usually find attractive, so you can probably find a rich chinese guy to take care of you quite easily.
Bannoy
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I have PMed my email. While we are at this, lets lay out some guidelines for anyone signing a contract here in China with an English School.
1.) Does this school seem reputable? Do they have a proper office? If they do - ask to speak to one of their full time teachers. Don't do it directly but just say you need some advice from a foreign perspective on living in Beijing or teaching these type of classes etc and they might be willing to let you speak to one.
2.) Always remember where you are. If there is a chance you may get screwed you probably will, look at the administrative system and see your liability should things take a turn for the worst. Here is my definitive guide of stuff to think about when starting a new full time job. If anyone has anything they would like to add or change please let me know.
Deposits/Holding: does the school hold anything in deposit? Salary, documents etc. If they do then beware.
Delayed pay days: When do they pay? If they pay more than 15 days after the month ends, ditch. Most plays have a delayed pay day to prevent teachers skipping out, but if you are working nearly a month in advance then it is not worth it.
Minimum Hours before pay: A few lame one on one centers operate a policy whereby you must teach a certain number of hours before you can get paid anything that you are earned. If a company says the do this – spit in their eye and steal some stationary on the way out.
Fines: I hate to say it but fines are necessary, a lot of schools don’t use them but I actually think it’s a good idea. A lot of teachers are flakes and that’s just the reality. What you need to watch out for is excessive fines and ambiguous language. I once worked for a company that did RMB1000 for a missed class but another that takes your whole months pay. I was in a bike accident and in hospital for 3 days and missed the class that day. My fine was around RMB14000 as it was the end of the month. Do NOT think it will not happen to you, all of us start a job thinking we are going to do the best job possible, never be late etc. Sh*t happens. If the fines are more than the equivalent of what you would have been paid had you gone then don’t accept. (Someone places offer clients free classes if a teacher skips when they have come for class which I think is fair from a business perspective). Cumulative late fines are not acceptable – 5 mins 100, 10 mins 20 etc (yeah I’m talking to you ABC!!!). A late fine should be a flat fee of a reasonable amount with a reasonable allowance. Furthermore, watch out for bonuses masked as fines (your base is average but with your bonus its good types – YEAH YOU ABC!!!). Many companies will find any reason not to give you a bonus and have you working on a low amount almost permanently. Especially avoid customer satisfaction bonuses unless the base salary is good to start with – if you aren’t good enough then the school should get rid of you, not have you working on a promise then pull the rug out at the end.
Interviews: Straight up rule – if they bring you in on a promise of one thing then it changes in the interview. GET OUT! They did it once, they will do it again. It is a test, if they tried it once they will try again because they know you can be pushed around. Doing it this early is a clear indication of their style. If you tell me one thing on the phone, I get there and its different – you have not only lied to me but wasted my time. I once tried to get someone to pay me an hours salary for wasting my time. It didn’t work of course but I hope it made him think twice before trying again
Part Time Masquerading as Full Time: These places work basically farm you out when work comes but they want to be sure they have teachers so they try to obligate you without giving in return (Berlitz *cough* ABC *cough*). They will give you a really low guaranteed salary or none but tell you that they can give you LOTS more. Its true. They will give you lots more but due to the nature of the industry the times and days are nearly impossible to fix and seeing as you are getting a guaranteed salary you can’t turn them down. Welcome to 6 or 7 days a week, huge gaps in your days and a mediocre salary with crappy work/life balance. ABC will take away your bonus (1/4 of your salary) if you turn down a class, even if it is given with less than 24 hours.
Travel: Any company worth their salt will reimburse you for travel expenses (not your time). If they don’t then it is not worth it. This includes most 1 on 1 tutoring companies. Also be sure to factor travel time into your accept or reject calculations, it adds up. I always hear the argument that the time you travel can’t be used to work so you should not calculate it at the same rate as work time but personally I value my home time especially when you are working many hours. Really good companies will pay you for an 8 hour shift and if you have a class then you travel within that shift and essentially get paid in that time. This of course if fulltime and thus the hourly rate is much better as there is more variety and stability.
Cancellation Policies: I believe in fining teachers for being late and missing class. These companies are businesses and they suffer if teachers mess up. People should take responsibility for their actions. The true works in the reverse, if you tell me that my 4PM class is canceled today then I have made no plans to do anything else. There is an opportunity cost. I should be compensated. As a rule a 24Hour or same day cancellation policy is a must. If a client cancels on the same day then I should still be paid. Many good companies do this but find out how it is administered first, who is the onus on? When I first started I went to ShiJingShan (middle of nowhere) for a class and when I arrived the client forgot and was not there. I called the centre and they just said tough luck try again tomorrow (thanks Goldentran).
Stability and Security: Going Full Time means sacrificing a higher hourly rate for some degree of stability and security. If a company cannot guarantee your salary/hours or whatever for the length of the contract, DO NOT take it. You should be given Holiday pay, insurance (under Chinese regulations it is actually required to issue a Z Visa), and the cost of your VISA reimbursed at minimum. Outright payment of visa is not regular as many people just ditch once its done, so some companies pay it back monthly of the length of the contract but if you leave they cancel it (every business has a set number of slots for Z visas and if someone runs off it makes things difficult). If a company will let you keep a Z visa afterwards then they have gone through an agent. Teachers should not have the whole liability of their VISAs. If a company will not get help you on a Full time contract. Don’t sign.
Work Schedule: Teachers are not machines. Surprised? Many employers are apparently. Work schedules should be fixed at the beginning of the week at least. Of course there are emergencies which teachers as full time employees have an obligation to help out but day before/same day class schedules should not be the norm. Before signing a contract find out how and when work is scheduled. Full time work should be 5 days a week. No more. Weekend work and 2 weekdays off is common and understandable though. If a company offers you few hours a day but on more day then don’t bother. If you want to work 7 days a week get a set job with 5 days a week and add a couple of part time positions to your days off. There are many benefits to this (your Tax liability is spread if you have one and it spreads your risk should things go wrong.
Tax: If you have been here too long (Guilty!) or if you have never worked in your home country then you will probably get upset about having to pay tax. Sorry to break it to you, the good companies charge tax. The good companies also pay more. When considering a job always compare the NET incomes along with the other benefits, and make sure you ask whether advertised salaries are NET or Gross before you go in for an interview to avoid disappointment. It is true however that there are many good companies that don’t charge tax but they are very few and far apart as any company big enough to get a Z visa will charge tax because you are on the books. Oh and the foreigner tax rate operates on a graduated taxation system starting at 4800 (2010 – any new info?) with 5% and then deductions. If it’s a flat rate then they are screwing you.
Part Time Tax: They are liars. Unless your visa comes from them you cannot legally work there and thus cannot be taxed. Always ask NET salaries.
Probation Periods: Its common in contracts for Chinese employees to offer a lower hourly rate for their probation periods. This is NOT the norm in the English teaching market. A probation period should only affect the amount of notice that either party is required to give when they wish to terminate the contract.
Notice: Notice should be equal on both sides, the company should not be able to unilaterally cancel contracts after the probation period with less than (minimum 2 weeks) a months (Recommended) notice.
Late Payment: While this is not normally done at the contract stage I just want to add a suggestion that you clarify with the employer that if they do not pay on the specified day then you will cease to work until paid. Many times I have heard of teachers being strung along with promise of payment essentially getting themselves deeper in the hole until they could not afford to live anymore. A recent example being The Language Key. D*cks
Well that is it, be more careful in the future. Geez that was a long post - sorry guys
English Rose
Re: can your employer make you pay your full working visa ...
i do know what my resident permit is, ive been to the police station and been given a new one a few times when changing my visa. but it doesnt live in my passport, thats why im getting confused as i only have my visa in there that says on it 'resident permit of the people's reublic of china' i thought my via and resident permit were two different things.
I get home fine every night by the way.
Some of my people at school call the school pearson because we use Pearson, but there area few English names they use for the school and its affilited with the peking university and another high school so it gets confusing what the name is sometimes. give me a break.
i have been teaching from the reading street books from pearson.
i had a copy of my contrct in chinese and english and was given a copy of both, i have a friend who use to work at the school and she speaks fluent chinese and i didnt think there was a problem with the contract but i will email it to Bannoy and tr to get help from various bureaus and who ever ele mught be able to help
Bannoy
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Pearson is short for Pearson Longman, one of the largest education publishers in the world. You use their books like many companies in China - New Oriental/Dell/ and their own centers.
I am looking at her joined date and judging by that, I would say that not understanding the ins and outs of the visa system in less than a year (I assume) of living here - having never done their own visa( given its their first job)- is fully acceptable.
Did you get off the boat with the Encyclopedia China in your brain fly boy? Give her a break, we have all been there. People at Vivid, Blurt, The Language Key, ABC, Berlitz, Real Life English etc have all come into similar difficulties, many of them who had been here a long time. It happens.
Anyway, send me the contract and I'll see what I can do.
Bannoy
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English Rose
Re: can your employer make you pay your full working visa ...
IwishYOUcouldfly what is your problem? Back off!!
Im not stupid and i dont think i am a professional teacher, not many english teachers in china are, we are just trying to be teachers, most have degrees in things that arent even related to english or teaching.
Why dont you save people from having to read your sh*t and fly off to whre you came from.
People like you really piss me off, you have nothing better to do than make snide comments be abusive and damn right rude. Who do you think you are???
Bannoy
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There are plenty of his type of the forum, don't let it get to you. Ignore him and he'll go away.
Though extrapolating from the deriding post, there is a general consensus that you should do your research in the future. As foreigners here we are vulnerable and you should always be prepared for the worst.
I recommend you do some research into:
Visa Regulations
Employment Bureaus
Landlord Rights and getting deposits back
Consumer Rights when dealing with stores
Banking regulations
These are some that tend to give newer entries trouble,
Good luck
alwn1708
Re: can your employer make you pay your full working visa ...
You just managed to totally contradict yourself in two sentences.Let me explain,when you were coming to China you would have been issued a visa from either your school or the Chinese Embassy in London or Manchester.When you arrive in China,you take said entry visa to the entry office and they give you a chitty to take to the police and they issue your residents permit. A visa and a resident permit are two different things.
With the varous bureaus,be careful to try to use the ones that have foreign people.You really don't want to tell a chinese official that you are potentially an illegal for obvious reasons!
Life is like a jar of jalapenos,what you do today might burn your ass tomorrow
alwn1708
Re: can your employer make you pay your full working visa ...
I am looking at her joined date and judging by that, I would say that not understanding the ins and outs of the visa system in less than a year (I assume) of living here - having never done their own visa( given its their first job)- is fully acceptable.
Not being funny but,assuming English Rose joined TBJ on her arrival in Beijing, she has been in China three days less than I - and I am on my first job (f/t) also!
Life is like a jar of jalapenos,what you do today might burn your ass tomorrow
English Rose
Re: can your employer make you pay your full working visa ...
alwn1708 i left england to travel through Russia and Mongolia on the Transiberian train, into China and i have been to other places in Asia in the last year.
I sent my passport to a agency company in England that got my tourist visa for Russia, Mongolia and a double entry for China.
When i first came traveling in China i didnt go to the entry office. Only when i came back the second time and wanted to get a apartment my school and friend that had been working and living here for a while said i had to go to the police station and get my resident permit and my landlord sorted it for me charging a huge fee i refused to pay again.
Bannoy
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I am saying that it is acceptable. Obviously you have put a little thought into your situation here as someone who has many years of life experience would. Not everyone starts out there. In all honesty I was confused when i came over, I didn't know any foreigners here and had never heard of thebeijinger before so information was scarce especially 6 years ago when the rules changed daily. I relied heavily on my employer - and got burnt for it. Live and learn I guess.
Ok, a little clarification:
Step 1) Z (Working) Visa: Gets you into the country/acts as the first step in the residency permit process. You actually cannot stay here on just a Z Visa (your employer/agent will normally do step 1 and 2 for you).
Step 2) Z Visa gets converted into a Residency permit and that is what most people get stamped into their passport (They stopped putting the Z in 2 years ago (judging by my old and new passport)People who get a residency permit through a Z get 就业 put on their permit.
Step 3) Temporary Residence Registration cert - gotten from the police station and required for living in your place of residence and visa renewals.
There is actually a lot of confusion over this as many people assume the Z is their last port of call in the process as that is what their employers and agents talk about. If you don't believe me check your passport - not a Z to be seen on it.
Bannoy
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Oh and you paid your landlord to do the Temporary Residence for you? Could I ask what you paid? That process takes the whole of 5 minutes. Its easily doable without Chinese language ability.
English Rose
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yeah i have seen there is no z in my visa!
So they cant cancel my resident permit unless i give them my passport can they? nor my visa?
Bannoy
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They cannot cancel anything without your passport but unless you get a release letter you cannot get a Z visa at the end of your current one. I thought they were not interested in canceling it? If it is an agent visa they don't need to.
If you are in a contract dispute, DO NOT give over your passport.
Then they have your money, your passport and your (metaphorical) balls in a vice.
Does your boyfriend work in the same industry? If so he should know enough to blag it with the employer and I am guessing he would be more intimidating than you when dealing with them.
English Rose
Re: can your employer make you pay your full working visa ...
i am not going to give them my passport, i know not to do that.
My boyfriend does work as a teacher too, he could come speak to my employer though im not sure whether it would help.
ive tried to say that his mum is a journalist and is writing about the schools here and will give a bad report on the school, ( she is a journalist and here in BJ but not writing anything) and i have said that i will rate the school badly but nothing has made her agree to waivering the visa fee.
They just want me to pay the visa fee if i dont they wont pay my last months salary and they will cancel my work permit in my alien book which they have and wouldnt give to me.
She said she wont give me a release letter until we have come to a agreement on things.
Bannoy
Re: can your employer make you pay your full working visa ...
Well how can they expect you pay for the whole thing if they are going to cancel it? So they want 10,000 for a 6 months visa?
Wow I'm in the wrong business
Its sounds like they are past reason, if you are not going to stay for more than a year just kiss the money goodbye and take the VISA.
Once you get your money and everything go to the print shop get some Chinese language flier done about how corrupt they are and just stick em up around their area.
Not a solution, just stress relief.
alwn1708
Re: can your employer make you pay your full working visa ...
Something does'nt add up here,you tell us that your employer is claiming 10,100 kuai for a Z-visa,you arrived on a double entry tourist visa which would be a L-visa,and now you tell us you have no 'Z' ?
DO NOT look at your Residence Permit,what is on your visa?
If it is L or Z it will be in your passport,correct Bannoy they no longer put Z on the resident.
Bannoys information is spot on,DO NOT give your passport to anyone (unless they are an official of course).But by the same token,it sounds like you can't go anywhere anyway as there must be a continuation from your visa to your permit.
Also make sure you have a copy of your passport because if by any chance your school gets their paws on it you will need a copy when trying to convince your innocence to the british embassy.
Now PLEASE go back through these threads and check EXACTLY what you have ,then go from there
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