Why Chinese people don't think?
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Chinese writer Wang Xiaobo wrote in his essay “ the silent majority ” that, “ to reverse humanity ( being intelligent and productive ), three factors are indispensible, they are valueless (physical) work, compelling force and the fragility of humanity. ”
The valueless work:
The vast majority were and are spending their lives on physical work. But compared with advanced western machines, Chinese labourers are inefficient and more importantly, restrained by physical hardships, they don’t have time to think.
Compelling force: need I say no more?
The fragility of humanity:
This occurs in every human being. Chinese labourers feel hopeless and exhausted, so as time goes on, they begin to believe that, “ maybe this is what life is supposed to be, maybe life isn’t any better after all. “ Then they stop thinking and live with it.
So this sh*t continues.
What I don’t understand is, why in the west, people went through the same sh*t, but The Enlightment, the Renaissance happened? Why Chinese people don’t think?
sereneselchie
Re: Why Chinese people don't think?
Even the majority of Chinese writers don't think. They are kind of like historians. They record and narrate the difficult lives of one generation, so the generation after read it and burst into tears and next, feel grateful for what they already have and be content.
You will be shocked how much Chinese people's happiness is based on the winning of competition with others, instead of the actual feelings.
TheIncredibleEgg
Re: Why Chinese people don't think?
From having worked in early education in China (particularly in early childhood) and in Sweden, i think it's because of the following reason.
Parents and teachers don't reason with children. In Chinese education, children are often not given reasons for why something is right/wrong/true/false, but rather imperatives:
Imperative: "Don't play with fire!"
Causation: "It is dangerous to play with fire, because the fire can spread. Things will burn down and you will hurt yourself. If you want to know what fire is, you have to ask me first etcetcetc"
Children/students are not given open problems and/or guidance on how to solve open problems: "How do you think we should..."
So children don't quite establish thought-patterns, but rather learn to follow imperatives.
Another reason is that self-expression is next to un-existant in Chinese education.
Self-expression is important for thinking, because thinking goes hand in hand with language. If children (and young adults) don't practise language through self-expression, reasoning is halted aswell.
This is a serious problem in Asian education and it takes a lot more work on part of teachers, to establish self-expression and moral reasoning as an integrated part in school subjects and class management.
YunRui
Re: Why Chinese people don't think?
Spot on...
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ReneeWine
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I am not good at self-expression. I guess the main reason is that my parents are bad at expressing themselves. So I did not have the habit to try to express myself clearly. My friends have never got this trouble. They express them clearly and seldome get misunderstood. Sometimes I am jealous. I was really straightforward, and I told my thoughts directly. The others were unhappy about it and I was embarrassed. I thought I was stupid and crazy. So I often choose to be quiet now.
Comfortable.
FreeRadical
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When you are told what you should, ought, and must think then you cannot be creative. When this happens when you a are small child it is even more devastating after all the "BIG" people are right all the time arent they. What do you know? You are just a kid. When you are ridiculed and criticized and told to shut up and "where did you get such a crazy idea? You begin to shut down. When you are shut down and your body gets bigger and your "emotional creative self" just stays inside their and never grows. So you stay stuck until you get unstuck or someone helps you get unstuck.
China tells everyone what to do...how it must be done and if you do it any other way it is not "Chinese culture" or you dont tow the PARTY line.
This is why they dont think....blind obedience...follow like sheep.....
STFU already...
joepie
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Most interesting observations by our physical friend Mr Incredible Egg;
I'd like to add, that - however disastrous the current state of mind of many people within the boundaries of this nation might be, as outlined by Mrs Selchie - a generation of people who actually DO "think", is slowly but surely on the rise.
It can not be any other way than that this corner of planet earth will also go through some kind of "enlightenment", as there is already plenty of "light" to be perceived among many of the nation's youngsters, a light that spreads quicker than many might expect or even hope for.
This is just my observation.
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FreeRadical
Re: Why Chinese people don't think?
I know a kid who can site 30 pages of Confucious without any book or prompts OFF THE TOP of his head. He is 8 freaking years old. Amazing rote. If they can somehow revert to creative and applicable reasoning then maybe yes. It must be a small proportion of the population Joe because Ive been involved in education and business both small and large and I havent seen a lot of "differnt" thinking. Just my observation.
STFU already...
Herbz
Re: Why Chinese people don't think?
Some serious "not thinking" going on...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2096374/Mass-slaughter-Syria-UN-...
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joepie
Re: Why Chinese people don't think?
"China and Russia veto UN Security Council resolution calling for President Assad to step down."
Both countries should be ejected from the UNSC for this.
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FreeRadical
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Thats what ya call serious "no thinkin goin on" HERBZ....thats the type of no thinkin goin on that Im talkin about.
STFU already...
GuyBelowMeisGay
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Russians and Chinese are right. Overthrowing government is an act of terrorism. Somehow americans think if terrorism is carried out in the name of democracy it makes it legitimate.
A year after Western supported terror in Egypt people there live much worse. Lybia is following same steps.
The unipolar world makes only rich and powerful benefit from it. Eastern europe doesnt have any power even to rule themselves. They were opened to capitalism early and as a result have been basically exploited by US and some West European states. Domestic production as a competition has been destroyed.
The balance in the world is changing and I belive is changing in a good direction.
Herbz
Re: Why Chinese people don't think?
So no chance at all of a really big war in the next few weeks then?... are you 100% sure that Iran isn't developing and/or willing to detonate one when it does?... nobody likes any kind of imperialism or invasions but this is a country that's already repeatedly say it will.
Hopefully we aren't seeing a replay...
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GuyBelowMeisGay
Re: Why Chinese people don't think?
Syria is not Iran. These are two completely different topics.
US messed up a lot in Iran in the past; I guess Persians want to be recognised as an independent nation. Easter Europe just succumbed to Western influence, accepting anything that comes from West, as long as they can get further away from Russia and Russian influence. Iranians apparently are not like that, they want to have a right to vote.
I am against military actions against Iran; it will have a huge impact on the world, through an inflation of oil price, and eventually my employment. Contrary to what other people say, China and Russia will be neutral on on West side in such a conflict.
Herbz
Re: Why Chinese people don't think?
Syria and Iran aren't different topics, if things go off, they will be in the same theater of war.
“As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia, and Sudan.” General Wesley Clark
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FreeRadical
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I would argue that they are NOT a Gov't. The job of elected, appointed or monarch regimes, govt or whatever you want to call them is to govern the people NOT kill their citizens. Murder is NOT the right of ANY govt or state and the world should hold murderers in ANY form accountable for their actions. This is no more than hiding behind corporate sturctures and rationalizing their actions and existence. Dictatorships should be held accountable for murderous acts.
STFU already...
cyrusbobo
Re: Why Chinese people don't think?
i tell you why chinese don't think ,because chinese culture is different with western culture, western culture emphasize on rationality ,but which in chinese culture is nothing ,
chinese have a long history, during the history, chinese develope a system emphasize the DAO 道，if you can capture or feel the dao ,you become noble man, if not, you r just still not enlightened, western culture emphasize on experience and data, but chinese are not.
chinese emphasize spiritual freedom, rather than actual freedom,
i think please don't fingerpointing china, before you understand them OK?
FreeRadical
Re: Why Chinese people don't think?
Please define your interpretation of "spiritual freedom".
STFU already...
The Equalizer
Re: Why Chinese people don't think?
Thinking requires the freedom to be wrong, no inward fear of criticism for your thoughts, coupled with brains. This should answer your question. Anymore questions?
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