The Chinese Education System
Today I gave a question to a group of Middle School and High School Students.
If Someone gave you $1,000,000 dollars how would you spend it?
I put restrictions on what they could do with the money.
1) You cannot give the money away to your family.
2) You cannot give the money to any charity.
3) You cannot give the money to China's government or your school.
4) You cannot buy anything for anyone else.
5) You must spend the money within 1 year.
6) You cannot give away anything that you buy to someone else.
They were dumbfounded. They could not answer the question.
I finally looked at them and said now I know what you want to say and I told them they would give the money to their parents and to poor people and to their government and to their school and they told me I was right.
These students have no perception of reality or original thought. I was truly saddened by the way they just sat there without a thought in their head because I had interrupted their regularly scheduled program.
I am so angry. How can a country allow this to happen to their young. It is ridiculous, pathetic and sinister.
美国鬼子




RemmyM
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Last month, a worldwide opinion survey was conducted by the United Nations.
The only question asked was:
“Would you please give your honest opinion about solutions to the food shortage in the rest of the world?”
The survey was a huge failure …
In Africa, they didn’t know what “food” meant.
In Eastern Europe, they didn’t know what “honest” meant.
In Western Europe, they didn’t know what “shortage” meant.
In China, they didn’t know what “opinion” meant.
In the Middle East, they didn’t know what “solution” meant.
In South America, they didn’t know what “please” meant.
And in the USA they didn’t know what “the rest of the world” meant.
Remmy be pimpin' in BJ, yo!
ReneeWine
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$1,000,000 dollars? That is not a lot of money. I probably will spend it within 1 hour. One of the solutions: buying bottles of tasty wine.
Comfortable.
zhenlai
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It isn't a lot of money. I had set the amount at 5 million for an earlier class and that totally baffled them so I decided to lower the total. It still did not work. The Chinese educational system is the most horrendous piece of crap in all humanity.
I wouldn't buy any wine in China though. It is either overpriced and fake or it will kill you.
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blucat
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I don't think anyone "allows this to happen to their young" as you put it.
Original thought is not exactly overflowing in any part of Chinese culture that I have seen.
Education is simply an extension of what is valued within a culture-and indeed simply part of the culture itself.
It's a common mistake to assume that it is somehow separate from it.
The myth then runs that we can somehow "teach" children to be creative and original in schools-how, when their teachers, parents, friends, textbook and curriculum writers are not creative or original themselves?
The same goes for politicians and government.
zhenlai
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Well you seem to have lost touch with reality. The education system in China is not the culture but the dictate of the government. All governments dictate education to a certain extent but not like in China.
We can teach our young how to be original and creative. It is giving them the freedom to find those thoughts and ideas with which to construct those original ideas by what ever method necessary.
It is how I was raised and it works well in the U.S. and I'm sure it works well in your country as well.
美国鬼子
langzixinxin
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I actually can summarise your topic with two words: It sucks.
------------a simple dividing line------------------------
However, I may talk a little bit more:
It's not the dictate of the government. It is merely an aspect of Chinese culture that "independent thinking or 'thinking outside the box' is not highly supported"
And Chinese educationists knew that this system actually kills creativity. But guess what? those people who are qualified as educationist in China are actually bunch of idiots surviving over their creative peers' corpse.
Anyway, I am defending the government, if you check out education system in Korea, Japan and Vietnam, you may found they suck too. Reason? Confucius system is over!
My name is Chinese: for we are many.
FreeRadical
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The solution to this problem cannot be resolved by the minds and thinking that created and continues to support what is in place. Go ahead "support your govt" there buddy. They are counting on you to do that!! Status quo reigns supreme in China.
STFU already...
zhenlai
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My topic does not suck. It requires thinking outside of the box, something that few middle or high school students in China have the ability to do. It requires creative thinking and non-conformity. My topic is an excellent topic and its main purpose was to get the students to think in English and not in the way of their Masters.
美国鬼子
The Equalizer
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No innovation, but very good at copying....
If your hungover and wishing you were dead, then its not so bad. If your hungover and wondering why your not dead it might be bad.
jas5sk
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it is just as bad as the rest. Grade inflation is everywhere, and creativity is frowned upon by most advanced education systems worldwide.
They are just factories, pumping out cheap copies of once educated students and worthless certificates. Education is defined as coming up with the most effective way to facilitate cheating or attending a school that won't give you below a B+ as long as you show up.
They could probably answer the question if you asked them to think of an idea that could earn them $1,000,000.
Bench 400 or die trying.
zhenlai
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No they couldn't. I explained to them before they answered that they must also figure out a way that will allow them to do the things they wish to do with their money. The first 1,000,000 had restrictions but any subsequent money they earned from using that 1 million had no restrictions. Out of 42 students only 2 figured out what would benefit them the most.
美国鬼子
The Equalizer
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...So somehow, in order for you to keep your job or position, I suppose at the end of the year, despite your protestations on the deficiencies of the Chinese education system, you will be, at the end of the day, promoting it by giving these students a passing grade in order they can move onto the next level.
Or are you planning on failing 40 out of 42 students at the end of the year?
If so, I trust you have another job in your back pocket.
If your hungover and wishing you were dead, then its not so bad. If your hungover and wondering why your not dead it might be bad.
blucat
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The IBDP-the diploma earned by international school students at the end of grade 12- also assess almost nothing in terms of creativity or ingenuity-unless you are doing a creative art.*
Why? Since we all know how valuable it is?
Because it is very, very hard to assess.
Sadly one of the main goals of a grade 12 education is to provide universities with a number by which they can objectively compare the quality of thousands of applicant students.
With that reality to face, schools and education systems fall back on those aspects of education that are easy to objectively asses=NOT creativity
*Our music teacher was very angry last year when his top student received only a 6 (out of 7) from the examiner because the examiner didn't like the original piece written by the student. In our music teachers opinion, it should clearly have been given a 7. This illustrates the difficulty in assessing creativity.
jas5sk
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Ouch
I was way off.
It could be that desperate need to be accepted in Chinese society thing, most might be afraid to get the assignment wrong.
Yeah, they can't really get this type of opinion assignments wrong(if they give a reasonable answer that follows the instructions) but they're afraid to write an answer that might be different from the majority of their classmates.
40 students in your class are good harmonious students that were probably agreeing with each other about the difficulty of the assignment.
Hope the two that figured it out were celebrated.
Bench 400 or die trying.
zhenlai
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They move to the next level when I tell them they are ready for the next level and not until. The 42 students come from 4 different classes. I am the only one who can decide if they are capable of going on to a higher level of English. I am bound by no inadequate administration.
We will keep going over and over the material I have decided they must learn in order to achieve the level of English they desire, or rather their parents desire them to have. When they come to school here the students and their parents are well aware of what will be required of them to move on.
The question I asked them has no bearing on whether they will advance in their English studies. It was an exercise to help them practice thinking outside of what they are taught.
美国鬼子
The Equalizer
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If that is true, then it is very refreshing to hear and I am able to rekindle my excitement as to the world is working how it should be working.
Thanks for informing me.
=D>
If your hungover and wishing you were dead, then its not so bad. If your hungover and wondering why your not dead it might be bad.
TheIncredibleEgg
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How people develop creativity is related to emotional development.
This has more to do with early childhood education and /parenting/ than high-school.
Schools can't teach or assess creativity.
Schools can however promote creativity by having a generally good social environment, but it can't actually prove that instruction X lead to an increase of 55 in child's Y creativity.
YunRui
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Much of what you wrote I agree with. But, forming the creative ability is based on developing an essential tool - analytical thinking skills. And this can be taught. Of course,an environment where risk of failure is acceptable is critical too. Both of these are generally lacking in the Chinese education system.
Stay Hungry!
Pain is a requirement, not a curse
ReneeWine
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By the way, how to form the habit of analytical thinking? I am lack of it. I am 32 years old now. Is it too late for me?
I do not make decisions after I analyze things.
Comfortable.
The Equalizer
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I'm of the opinion that analysis and decision making are two different things.
There are ATS courses readily available (Analytical Trouble Shooting), which try to teach one analytical thinking.
If your hungover and wishing you were dead, then its not so bad. If your hungover and wondering why your not dead it might be bad.
laowei74
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Have you seen the US education system lately? I taught in it, and I can tell you that creativity is not valued, either from the students, or from the teacher. You must do things the way the administrative bureaucracy wants, or you are not liked.