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How NOT to deal with frustration while teaching China

A friend of mine emailed me an exchange he had a while back with a teacher who applied for a job through the classifieds ad he posted. There was no warning to the attack and rant that arrived one day in response to the email.(I will not print any names or addresses so this does not infringe on anyone's privacy).
This was the reply to a job posting for a 12K net, 23 days paid leave not including Chinese holidays, with Z Visa and Insurance position (Mon to friday 20 hours teaching a week)

**** said:
Firstly, you pay too little for a serious corporate training, as what you claim doing. You wanna see a professional trainer on your list - think 350 RMB per hour up.
Secondly, you Chinese always start with the same phrase - "How much?". However, money is the last thing you wanna talk about when you have to pay.
Thirdly, we foreigners who came here to offer sharing of our experience and expertize are really beginning to get tired of your b.s.. You will end up working with tourists. You are ripping off your silly clients, for sure.
And lastly, if you people have any professional dignity or human honor left, you will shut down most of your so called schools and try a new start, after learn form the West a little bit humanity, decency, dignity and something different from Chinese culture. That might benefit you...
Because in a copy and paste culture like yours, you at least need to copy with some understanding, for Buddha's sake.

Seriously? Someone took the time to pick out a job advert (He was not emailed) from the deluge on the classifieds to rant and rave about Chinese culture to a company and recruiter that they don't know (Who funny enough was not Chinese).
Sometimes things can become stressful and you feel like strangling the next agent who tries to offer you a crappy job but if you want to do well you, you need to develop a thick skin.

Instead of flipping out, take some time, analyze what the benefits of a course of action are before you do it. Everyone wants the big salary.Everyone believes they are worth it. If you want to get to the higher echelons take a critical look at your approach, style and ability and work out what you need to do to make yourself truly worth it. Despite popular opinion, not all teachers are equal. Truly good teachers are hard to find, but they are worth the extra cash.

I found the reply to this message even more amusing:

From: ********
To: ********
Date: ********

I honestly don't know where to start.

First, not Chinese

Second, we do pay 500 per hour for our "Soft Skills" and seminar trainers - as evidenced by the seminar just conducted on Friday where the trainer walked away with 2000 in his pocket

Third, the advert is for Corporate Training which includes language training - look at the advert clearly, 2 years teaching experienced, business experience preferred – the “soft skills” trainers probably fall into a slightly different bracket

Fourth, 12000 NET with 23 days vacation – works out to roughly 15000 a month of guaranteed stable income which any teacher/trainer (given the requirements they are probably under 28 years old) would be happy with. ClarkMorgan (British Company) EF and Le Elite all of whom do Corporate training pay less. Oh and they have 30 -35 required teaching hours which go over weekends. We have 20 from Monday to Friday.

Fifth, I have gotten over 30 applications from so good solid individuals and only continue to post the advert because I am still looking for someone who fits into our team culture (90% not Chinese BTW as to your original assertion)

Sixth, your quote “after learn form the West a little bit humanity, decency, dignity and something different from Chinese culture.” Great use of grammar and spelling, sir.

Seventh, “we foreigners who came here to offer sharing of our experience and expertize“
Clearly your intention for coming here has little to do with your benevolent desire to spread wisdom as the rest of your message shows clear disdain for the Chinese people to the point of Racism. Americans also spell expertise with an s by the way.

Finally, I was simply putting up an advert, which if you had looked deeper than just your interpretation of the title, you would have noticed was for a pretty good job for a 20 something with only 2 years teaching experience (note this refers to a lot of people tired of getting 5000 a month from Universities) and preferably a business background who wants to break into the more lucrative field of Corporate training. Having been in that situation before I would have loved to take up a position of this nature had it been available and find it despicable that someone as yourself would take the time (especially as you bill at 350 an hour) to chastise me for what many people actually consider a much better offer than 90% of the background noise that is the classifieds job board.

And with that sir, I bid you adieu
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That email has been passed around between a few DOS and heads of schools as a kind on going joke. The person who sent that is kind of infamous now and will not be hired by any of those schools (He then applied for a job as a Soft skills Trainer at that school - he used the same number on his CV as he did on a Beijing Classifieds ad offering teaching so his identity was revealed). So be careful, the foreign managed training community is smaller than you think and tend to be the best places to work.

Hope you guys found that amusing and Happy Hunting on the job front.


Re: How NOT to deal with frustration while teaching China

Did the reply come from a DOS in a foreign managed school?I wonder as the spelling,grammar and punctuation is not that much better than the original email.
In general the foreign managed schools are NO better than any other,the main advantage is that you can communicate with colleagues more effectively.But they are certainly on no pedestal.

Life is like a jar of jalapenos,what you do today might burn your ass tomorrow

Re: How NOT to deal with frustration while teaching China

I would disagree with that, schools with foreign managers tend to be far better. If the manager has been there for a few years you at least know that they have some kind of stability as foreign DOS's tend to float around a bit. The additional benefit is that you have someone with at least some sway who understands what it is like to work as a foreign teacher.

Having a foreign manager is kind of a standard that schools bear to show that they hold foreign teachers in some kind of regard as well as that they can afford to do so. Look at all the crappy 1 on 1 schools, how many foreign managers are there? From my experience none. This holds true for many of the fly by night operations in Jian Wai Soho and other areas.

Yes, there is a limit on what it signifies and a lot depends on the individual DOS but I would say that having one definitely raises my trust levels when dealing with a school.

The funny thing is that I find the reverse to be true when it is foreign owned. If it is a smaller school owned by a foreigner, things tend to be pretty tough as small school owners generally don't have the capital to pay higher wages and let teachers take liberties (as many of these school owners used to be teachers who scraped enough together to start their business). Even the medium to large foreign owned schools can be pretty shady - Berlitz, YBM(Korean), The Language Key.

Re: How NOT to deal with frustration while teaching China

Yes I'd agree that even the larger schools can sometimes be shady. In particular YBM. Avoid them like the plague.

"The EFL teaching industry in China is like Chinglish"

Re: How NOT to deal with frustration while teaching China

You HAVE to disagree your a DOS in a foreign managed school!If you believe that having a foreigner in a chinese establishent is a sign of some status and regard then you are sadly mistaken,a foreigner exists there purely to attract more foreign interest.
I recently visited a school in xizihimen and they had a foreigner there,who turned out to be helping his mate out (!) then promptly passed me to the inept chinese assistant who as usual had'nt a clue how to conduct an interview.

Life is like a jar of jalapenos,what you do today might burn your ass tomorrow

Re: How NOT to deal with frustration while teaching China

You HAVE to disagree your a DOS in a foreign managed school!If you believe that having a foreigner in a chinese establishent is a sign of some status and regard then you are sadly mistaken,a foreigner exists there purely to attract more foreign interest.
I recently visited a school in xizihimen and they had a foreigner there,who turned out to be helping his mate out (!) then promptly passed me to the inept chinese assistant who as usual had'nt a clue how to conduct an interview.

Life is like a jar of jalapenos,what you do today might burn your ass tomorrow

Re: How NOT to deal with frustration while teaching China

I was not talking about the abilities of every foreign DoS individually as they are just as hit and miss as teachers can be. What I mean is a school who hires a foreign DoS shows a few things about their company:

FDoS are more expensive which means the company tends to be more financially viable and less likely to go bankrupt at the drop of a hat.

Having an FDoS means that they actually realize that having a Chinese manager with broken English is not the best way of handling foreign teachers - shows that are willing to spend money to improve quality

I have never heard of a company with an FDoS decide not to pay its' teachers for no reason. Any foreigner who allowed that would be ostracized and get the crap kicked out of him regularly on nights out.

You need to view the industry as whole to understand what I mean from the ground up. The order may vary a little so if anyone disagrees please offer your view. This is how I view schools in terms of their quality (AVERAGE - of course there are exceptions up and down)starting with the lowest.

Note: Quality refers to treating teachers fairly, salaries, general trustworthiness and security.

Agencies - Shifty, unfair, no security, low requirements

One on one companies - Generally the same as above but a little better. VERY hit and miss

Private Kindergartens - Regular classes but still tend to have bad conditions and tend to fool around with pay/visas etc

Small Training Centres - They flit between below and above kindergartens depending upon which one but they tend to be better than One on one places (though sometimes almost indistinguishable) They are only a little better because if they wrong a teacher they have a fixed location where you can cause trouble with the rate payers directly.

Government Run Schools - While conditions may not be the greatest they tend to be stable and don't mess around with pay an the like too much.

Universities - Well known universities around Beijing might not pay the most but the work is easy, conditions are generally good and you don;t hear to many complaints about non-payment. Exceptions being places like BJUT (James Cook program), Union and Cosmetics Uni.

Larger Training Centers - Love them or hate them, these plays tend to be relatively on the level in most cases. Places like Wall Street/EF/Xin Dong Fang will not unilaterally decide to screw you out of all your money or pack up and disappear one day. Work tends to be harder but pay and benefits are good. Exceptions being summer camps. Oh god. The summer camps. And ABC

Pure Corporate Training Companies - If they are solely B2B they tend to be much better on all accounts as their requirements for teachers are higher and making suitable candidates harder to find. If they mess around, they then lose those candidates and have to start over. They only bad example I can think of was when one of these places went bust and didn't pay their teachers. If they are mixed B2C then they tend to follow the guidelines for small training center as they use B2B to supplement revenue.

International Schools (Assuming foreign run) - Great Pay, Great benefits, easy work. Never hear anything bad about these places, though they generally bring teachers directly from schools in the west.

Now, if we look at what point FDoS start to appear. Agencies NO. One on Ones NO. Kindergartens NO. Small Training Centers NO(Maybe 1 in 25). Its not till you hit Universities (Maybe 1 in 10) and finally larger training centers, corporate and international schools that FDoS start to become the norm.

Its not that the FDoS will inevitably make a school good, in fact I know many who kind of suck at their jobs, but even having one just tells you a a lot about the school's mentality.

My first DoS back in the day was perpetually stoned. Always. Constantly. I ended up running the damn place while the guy got the fat salary. That said, the company itself paid well, the owner actually respected well performing teachers and I eventually replaced the guy. (Not before he tried to sell me an once before one of classes in front of a student. Sigh)

My point is that from the bottom up, there are a lot of things that can go wrong, and when I look for work I tend to gravitate to places that have a Foreign Director of Studies.

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