admin wrote:
Jeremy 29 wrote:
" But there’s another, better option … from a Chinese restaurant! And it’s been here all along."

That sentence implies it's the same. Do I really need to give you a lesson on communication?

The above statement does not imply that its the same. It implies that there is "another option" -- preceeded by comments indicating the author recongizes that what he is about to explain is in fact not really poutine.

There's an obviously humorous tone throughout the piece that is meant to convey (albeit in a subtle way that has shot way over the head of some) the fact that hey, this is a silly laowai just adding some excitement and a sense of discovery to a mostly unknown Chinese dish by bringing cheese and a grater.

The "attacking our readers" issue.

In terms of an "attack", O'Malley at the beginning of the comments replied "Leon you need some joy in your life" to Leon's "Really, writer? If you have to bring your own cheese and grater (And not even cheese kurds, just mozza) how the HELL is it better than "the real thing" in Beijing?"

In my book that hardly consititutes an "attack." It's a way of saying "Leon my friend, I am not actually suggesting that readers begin carrying a block of cheese and a grater to local restaurants to simulate authentic poutine. I have crafted a light-hearted, humorous piece that draws parallels between grated cheese on gravy-covered french fries and poutine, which is cheese curds on gravy-covered french fries. I am not implying what I've done is really poutine, it's just a way of creating something new from something common, and though its not identical to authentic poutine, it is quite tasty."

This interchange is the equivalent of this:

O'Malley: Why did the chicken cross the road? To get to the other side.

Leon: In fact, chickens do not cross roads. Close examination of poultry reveals they are deathly afraid of roads and will not, under any circumstances, cross a road. You need to study up on chickens, O'Malley

O'Malley: Lighten up.

Go back and read the comments yourself.

Let me summarize:

Leon: What the hell, no way is this better than poutine.

Jeremy: And it's not from Montreal

O'Malley: Come on Leon, it's meant to be a funny piece.

Badr: That was really funny!

Leon: You don't know what you are talking about, O'Malley, that's not poutine!

O'Malley: I know its not poutine ... please, it's meant to be funny.

Leon: You are a hack, loser, disrespectful, english-teaching sexual predator.

Poppy: Hey i thought the article was funny too.

Admin: Ha ha you are all taking this too seriously for god's sake

Admin: More satire about how seriously people have been taking this.

Leon: Admin, you don't give a shit about the fact that this article is not accurate! Anyone like you who could work for such an organization must be a loser!

Balucaron: I am from Quebec and I am greviously insulted! What the author has created in the above photos is not poutine!

Leon: Yes its damn innacurate and the Brits would never stand for it!!!

beijingteaching: why is it that everyone gets so insulting here

Leon: Damn straight Canadians should be outraged by having poutine compared to "xinjiang grease slopped over potatoes cooked in gutter oil". And I didn't start this! It's O'Malley's fault!

Jeremy: (possibly ironic) agreement with Leon

Admin: Leon, if you go back and read the thread, you're the one that started this. You failed to understand that the author was never intending to suggest that grating cheese over a xinjiang dish = an exact replica of poutine, and you proceeded to insert agressive personal insults into the mix.

dimit: I agree, this is a funny piece and Leon is taking it way too personally, and he's missed the point from the beginning.

admin: (humorous graphic to indicate that a silly article has generated so much argument over poutine)

jeremy: I agree the article is factually incorrect and the author does not know what he's talking about. The audacity of writers reacting to comments on their articles! I've never heard of such things! You guys are amatuers and thin-skinned as well.

[descent into madness name calling etc etc etc etc]

If you don't consider O malley's comments, such as "go away" and his first one to be instigators, nor your "double secret probation" bit of sarcasm to be an escalator, you're just plain daft...or know that you're bullshitting and don't care. failing grades... ciao.

Look forward to working with you.

thenines wrote:
Jeremy 29 wrote:
" But there’s another, better option … from a Chinese restaurant! And it’s been here all along."

That sentence implies it's the same. Do I really need to give you a lesson on communication?

That's sarcasm you fucking muppet.

Yes, it is sarcasm, it certainly has all the elements of sarcasm; parody, satire, a touch of irony.

Also, you're very smart and have a great grasp of English and know what words mean.

Look forward to working with you.

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Tickets for "Friends of the Festival" (we think this means volunteers and those involved with the program itself) and Sponsors go on sale Jan 30, and tickets are on sale to the general public starting Feb 6. Plan accordingly!

thenines wrote:
Jeremy 29 wrote:
" But there’s another, better option … from a Chinese restaurant! And it’s been here all along."

That sentence implies it's the same. Do I really need to give you a lesson on communication?

That's sarcasm you fucking muppet.

That's actually NOT sarcasm you fucking retard. If anything it'd be considered facetious, which I don't see the point of doing in a food review article. Or are food reviews often facetious to aid the reader when making dining decisions? Is that another exclusive to the Beijinger practice?

I demand good spices.

Oh come off it admin, I posted a comment saying how can it be the same if it isn't made like poutine, to which your staff member chose to insult me, so I fired back then we got into this shit. And YOU KEEP DRAGGING IT OUT.... jesus christ your worse than the people in the forum, man.

How does "Leon you need some joy in your life" equal "O'Malley: Come on Leon, it's meant to be a funny piece."

I know that your staff has a problem being factual and accurate, but you flat out changed what was said.

Bottom line is your little room of douchebags thought you'd take a piss at someone for disagreeing with your article and that person (me) fired back at you, you got mad and started being sanctimonious twats and bending and twisting what happened. You've show what a petty lot of hacks you guys are, as if we didn't already know.

Pooooorrr widdle admin and omawwey can't take a widdle abuse bawck...

christ, what a vinegar and water show.

ANd I didn't start shit. I commented on the original article... That's WHY you have the option to do so underneath. If you don't like the feedback you'll get then stop giving the option. Or at least stop registering as new users to defend your bush league stunt. Grow up.

I demand good spices.

Jeremy 29 wrote:
" But there’s another, better option … from a Chinese restaurant! And it’s been here all along."

That sentence implies it's the same. Do I really need to give you a lesson on communication?

The above statement does not imply that its the same. It implies that there is "another option" -- preceeded by comments indicating the author recongizes that what he is about to explain is in fact not really poutine.

There's an obviously humorous tone throughout the piece that is meant to convey (albeit in a subtle way that has shot way over the head of some) the fact that hey, this is a silly laowai just adding some excitement and a sense of discovery to a mostly unknown Chinese dish by bringing cheese and a grater.

The "attacking our readers" issue.

In terms of an "attack", O'Malley at the beginning of the comments replied "Leon you need some joy in your life" to Leon's "Really, writer? If you have to bring your own cheese and grater (And not even cheese kurds, just mozza) how the HELL is it better than "the real thing" in Beijing?"

In my book that hardly consititutes an "attack." It's a way of saying "Leon my friend, I am not actually suggesting that readers begin carrying a block of cheese and a grater to local restaurants to simulate authentic poutine. I have crafted a light-hearted, humorous piece that draws parallels between grated cheese on gravy-covered french fries and poutine, which is cheese curds on gravy-covered french fries. I am not implying what I've done is really poutine, it's just a way of creating something new from something common, and though its not identical to authentic poutine, it is quite tasty."

This interchange is the equivalent of this:

O'Malley: Why did the chicken cross the road? To get to the other side.

Leon: In fact, chickens do not cross roads. Close examination of poultry reveals they are deathly afraid of roads and will not, under any circumstances, cross a road. You need to study up on chickens, O'Malley

O'Malley: Lighten up.

Go back and read the comments yourself.

Let me summarize:

Leon: What the hell, no way is this better than poutine.

Jeremy: And it's not from Montreal

O'Malley: Come on Leon, it's meant to be a funny piece.

Badr: That was really funny!

Leon: You don't know what you are talking about, O'Malley, that's not poutine!

O'Malley: I know its not poutine ... please, it's meant to be funny.

Leon: You are a hack, loser, disrespectful, english-teaching sexual predator.

Poppy: Hey i thought the article was funny too.

Admin: Ha ha you are all taking this too seriously for god's sake

Admin: More satire about how seriously people have been taking this.

Leon: Admin, you don't give a shit about the fact that this article is not accurate! Anyone like you who could work for such an organization must be a loser!

Balucaron: I am from Quebec and I am greviously insulted! What the author has created in the above photos is not poutine!

Leon: Yes its damn innacurate and the Brits would never stand for it!!!

beijingteaching: why is it that everyone gets so insulting here

Leon: Damn straight Canadians should be outraged by having poutine compared to "xinjiang grease slopped over potatoes cooked in gutter oil". And I didn't start this! It's O'Malley's fault!

Jeremy: (possibly ironic) agreement with Leon

Admin: Leon, if you go back and read the thread, you're the one that started this. You failed to understand that the author was never intending to suggest that grating cheese over a xinjiang dish = an exact replica of poutine, and you proceeded to insert agressive personal insults into the mix.

dimit: I agree, this is a funny piece and Leon is taking it way too personally, and he's missed the point from the beginning.

admin: (humorous graphic to indicate that a silly article has generated so much argument over poutine)

jeremy: I agree the article is factually incorrect and the author does not know what he's talking about. The audacity of writers reacting to comments on their articles! I've never heard of such things! You guys are amatuers and thin-skinned as well.

[descent into madness name calling etc etc etc etc]

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you think i'm the author? that's your last possible retort right?

I've made you look like a completely inept ass here and so the only thing that could discredit my writing is claiming that I must be the author!! OOOH! Brilliant.

No, I'm from MONTREAL and I've been in Beijing long enough to avoid reading these magazines -- but the blog posts I know are less serious, more frequent and tell more about the city through actual personalities than the real articles.
Anyway, I can't prove that I'm 100% not the writer, so maybe you got me!!!! So clever that you are! Maybe... maybe I'm ALL the authors!

Also, maybe you are a dumb ass. Go back home to the USA and stop representing expats here please.

" But there’s another, better option … from a Chinese restaurant! And it’s been here all along."

That sentence implies it's the same. Do I really need to give you a lesson on communication?

As well, all I said at the start of this was it isn't from Montreal. You pushed me to say the rest with your aggressive and relentless attack of your readers. And then by asking me directly. I find it funny you defend the writer as "being entitled to his opinion, yet allowed your "writer" to insult someone for posting their opinion. Especially the fact you took a swing at me after ASKING what I thought.

Is hypocrisy part of the Beijinger business plan? Or does this fall under unreasonable defense of shoddy work clause?

Someone pointed out your comments regarding the frogman interview too. I think you're the one who's got pent up anger, not the rest of us. Anyway, save it for your group sessions, I really don't give a shit anymore.
Either way, have fun with the glorified colouring book you're running.

Look forward to working with you.

Jeremy 29 wrote:
But, Admin, my complaints would merely be it's not a Montreal dish and just throwing mozzarella on fries and an unkown sauce doesn't really constitute poutine

the author aknowledges this directly in the piece, as well as points you in the direction of real poutine in beijing:

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Folks in the know will send homesick Canucks to The Box (RMB 35, previously co-run by a Canadian but it’s still on the menu), Grinders (RMB 45), or American Steak & Eggs (RMB 29).
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Purists may bemoan the fact that the fries aren't super-crispy, and the cheese ain't curds, but just think about it. This is a simple (but very good) Xinjiang restaurant. Which means you can probably order this dish... all over town.

So why are we skewering the author for allegedly not knowing what poutine is? It just doesn't jibe with the facts of the piece

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let alone saying it's "better" than a number of the places in Beijing that make it specifically.

"better" is a matter of opinion (not fact) so by definition it's not possible to be "innacurate" as you suggest. The man's entitled to his opinion.

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@manchuriancandidate,

I'm very sorry to hear that you had a bad experience at Maison Boulud, but as you mention, everyone has off days. RE: the insinuation of special treatment - my meal last night was booked and paid for by my partner, and other (non-media) friends have planned similar dinners to similar success. Not every glowing review in the directory is a TBJ employee Blum 3

Also - can I suggest you mention your dissatisfaction to the manager, perhaps in email if you prefer? If they don't know, they can't fix it. If it helps, dinner atmosphere is very different to brunch atmosphere. No children, no shorts and so on. If you go, I sincerely hope you have a wonderful time.

And let us know what you think after, yeah? Smile

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Assistant Dining Editor

Sounds like you had a lovely evening.
Must remember to bring a member of theBeijinger staff with me the next time I go to Maison Boulud. We went with high hopes. Every review and comment we read was fawning in its praise. People in this town speak about MB like it is the restaurant equivalent of the second coming. The Stone Roses' first album of restaurants, if you like.
Brilliant it was not. We went for the Brunch a while back. We arrived fairly late into it, admittedly. The food was good but not brilliant. The famous DB burger was very nice. The raved about Egg Yolk in Fettuccine was a big disappointment. The house made Lamb sausage was also a highlight. Onion soup ordinary. Really enjoyed the country pâté. The wine, we had, at 20 euro a glass needs to be poured a bit more liberally. Big massive glasses with a miserly amount of the grape.
Now when many people talk about MB's service, and the interior, and the setting, they get giddy and lose all sense of perspective. Superlatives are not enough when it comes to describing this restaurant with otherworldly service. In our experience the service was poor and slow. When we were seated we had to ask for the table to be cleaned. Many other tables were left dirty for the duration of our meal. The restaurant was practically empty so they were not run off their feet. Prior to our desserts arriving we were told the restaurant would close at 5 so they could set up for dinner and we were fine with this and understood. Our desserts were practically dumped on the table. We were clearly inconveniencing them. Perhaps they just had a off day. It does happen.
The restaurant location is impressive but inside I find it a bit cold and lacking in soul.
This was certainly not "The best meal I have ever had in Beijing", not even close. The following day we had lunch at a very popular restaurant in Nali patio where the service and the food were of a much higher level.
That said I will try it again for dinner sometime.
But to say they are like this with everybody is not true. If it wants that Michelin star it needs to be much better.
3 stars

BAHAHA, holy shit, what a joke. You're all a bit sensitive aren't ya? Did I hurt your feelings by disagreeing with you?

Fuck, what a retarded display of ineptitude.

Shades of other threads where Admin and the staff at the old BJer have banded together to defend shitsauce articles in the dumbest possible manner. I guess it's okay that it's not a real article, it's not a real magazine.

Good luck to you all!

I demand good spices.