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2011 Jan 06 Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

Do you have the solution to the traffic nightmare? The Beijinger is running a competition inviting all to vent their frustration and solutions to the congestion.

Long-time Beijing expat Jeremiah Jenne in his Jottings from the Granite Studio blogged his frustration over Beijing's notorious peak hour traffic. There is everything from the sardine subways, to bus drivers refusing to drive, to taxis with drivers so inept at navigation you need to commandeer the vehicle. In his blog the weary traveler has proposed a 'three-part plan' to somehow alleviate the traffic woes on Beijing streets:

  1. Rush hour premium pricing on taxi's where an extra 5 kuai is added for all travels in and out of the 3rd ring rd.
  2. Removing the hukou restriction for Beijing taxi drivers, suggesting that even most Beijing born taxi drivers barely know the location of their own home or elbow.
  3. Raise the standard of taxi driver's examinations. Forget whether they can speak English, just make sure they're able to read directions in Chinese.

Obviously this person favors the taxi over the other forms of transport. Is it your choice transport (The subway, bus, taxi, moped or the trusty bicycle)? What would your solutions be?

With this in mind the Beijinger is running a competition inviting all readers to become online transportation planning authorities. We want you to vent your traffic frustrations and share your most interesting solutions to the peak hour nightmare. We don't care how crazy or dysfunctional the ideas are, because lets face it, we live in a fairly dysfunctional city.

The person with the most interesting story and solutions will receive a bottle of Chilean Cabernet Savignon, complementary of the The Beijinger staff. Its jammy complexities and gridlocked palate (as reviewed by connoisseurs) will be the perfect drop when you eventually arrive home from work.

All responses can be made in the comments section at the bottom of this post.

Good luck and happy venting everyone!

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

The #1 rule I would enforce is an incentive to clear the scene of minor fender-benders, which in my experience cause close to 1 out of every 3 jams in the city.

How many times have you been in a 30-minute backup, only to discover when you reach the head of the line that the cause of the backup are two a-holes whose cars brushed up against one another and have no visible damage, but the insist on leaving their cars in the precise spot the damage occurred, jabbering about whose fault it is and awaiting the arrival of some sort of adjudicator?

Here's what I'd do:

1. Mandatory collision insurance on all vehicles.

2. "No fault" insurance -- aka the damages are taken care of by insurance. However, if you are involved in any sort of fender-bender, both parties -- regardless of fault -- have points taken away on your license and an automatic RMB 500 fine. And of course your insurance premiums will go up if you are involved in an accident.

3. Mandatory immediate clearing of all non-injury traffic accidents. Anyone whose vehicles remain at the scene of the accident for any period of time will automatically lose their license for one month. Second time offenders will lose their license for a year, and third time offenders will have their testicles removed at the scene with a pair of rusty pliers.

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Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

so crzay,that's lucky for me to move a new apartment

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

Remove cars of a certain age from the roads.

Crush them into scrap metal, use this material in the building of further subway lines.

Remove cars of a certain "quality" from the roads, ie: QQ, Xiali, City Baby, etc. They are death traps anyway.

Crush the cars.

Increase the fine for driving on a day you are not allowed to drive.

Increase the price of license plates/insurance so that only the relatively well off can drive. The poor people can ride their bikes, take the subway or take the bus.

Begin an investigation to root out all the people driving with fake licenses and fake license plates. Put them in jail or fine the sh*t out of them.

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Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

Sorry, I forgot one, the city center/CBD should be a no private car zone.

We'll need parking lots near subway/taxi/bus stations so that people can pay for parking then commute to the CBD if that's where they work.

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Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

herojuana wrote:
Remove cars of a certain age from the roads.

Crush them into scrap metal, use this material in the building of further subway lines.

... with the drivers still inside them

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Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

Simply enforcing ALL the rules at a level of only 10% would substantial improve driver behavior here, which is the main reason for the slow moving traffic in my opinion

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

Really reserve one way for buses and have more bus.If every suburbs citizen could be sure to get to the city faster than any driver there wouldn't be so much single drivers driving -too- big cars.

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

I think driving is great. I love driving. Cars are an essential part of civilization, and we should not limit vehicle ownership or license registration if we expect China to be a GREAT COUNTRY. The government should subsidize fuel costs and bring back the tax subsidies for owners of small-engine vehicles, which really pollute less and can fit into tighter spaces so they don't really contribute to any traffic problems. Did you know the invention of the auto-mobile corresponds with the emergence of the awesome Western military-industrial complex? It is sort of like having a gun in your pants. (That is a metaphor.) Sometimes I go home at night and put my car inside my girlfriend. Yes, I have a girlfriend! I love my car.

^^^ …yeah, that needs to change.

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

joshofbass wrote:
Simply enforcing ALL the rules at a level of only 10% would substantial improve driver behavior here, which is the main reason for the slow moving traffic in my opinion

i disagree. the concept of partial enforcement is exactly the issue here -- driving habits are out of control due to the fact that the law is only partially and unevenly applied -- the super-rich and super-connected have no need to follow the rules, nor do the lower ends of the economic spectrum like "hei che" drivers and the like.

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Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

antfarmks5 wrote:
I think driving is great. I love driving. Cars are an essential part of civilization, and we should not limit vehicle ownership or license registration if we expect China to be a GREAT COUNTRY. The government should subsidize fuel costs and bring back the tax subsidies for owners of small-engine vehicles, which really pollute less and can fit into tighter spaces so they don't really contribute to any traffic problems. Did you know the invention of the auto-mobile corresponds with the emergence of the awesome Western military-industrial complex? It is sort of like having a gun in your pants. (That is a metaphor.) Sometimes I go home at night and put my car inside my girlfriend. Yes, I have a girlfriend! I love my car.

^^^ …yeah, that needs to change.

where's that from?

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Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

1) ration the amount of gas each car owner could buy per month. this would put a limit on how often the car can go on the road each month.

2) only allow one car per household. this will prevent people from buying two cars with different plate numbers so that they can drive every day regardless of what plate number restriction is on any given day.

3) free restaurant and drinks vouchers for those who own a car but leave it at home when they go out on the weekends.

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

This city seems to slowly self-destruct.

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

hoppyliu wrote:
2) only allow one car per household. this will prevent people from buying two cars with different plate numbers so that they can drive every day regardless of what plate number restriction is on any given day.

That's already happening with the new license restrictions,

hoppyliu wrote:
3) free restaurant and drinks vouchers for those who own a car but leave it at home when they go out on the weekends.

and the weekends aren't the problem.

Managing Web Editor

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

What about a car pool lane?

That wouldn't work, would it?

All the Audi guys driving alone would just proceed to do whatever the hell they want anyway.

Hoppyliu: Some good ideas!

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Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

lauren_mccarthy wrote:
and the weekends aren't the problem.

^ actually in my experiencetraffic is typically WORSE on the weekends, precisely because there are more cars on the road (no restriction via license plate number on weekends)

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Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

The weekends are a MAJOR problem, Laura.

Everyone is allowed to drive on the weekends.

I don't even bother taking the car out on the weekends, as it's bumper to bumper.

They should alternate weekends or something, give certain numbers on plates weekends when they are not allowed to drive.

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Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

I.m.o. there is no solution to the problem.

This city simply contains too many people on a too small piece of land.

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

The roads could handle the traffic on the presumption that people obey basic road etiquette and rules. Sadly, this is a city where etiquette disappeared about the same time as queuing.

Get the police on the case. Anytime anyone remotely violates even the smallest of traffic regulations, have their licence revoked for a year and the family cars clamped!

I mean, if someone doesn't use their blinker (so, always!) then the cops can clamp the car for a year and revoke the licence.

Imagine how empty the streets would be...something like Pyongyang i would expect.

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

I spent 1,5 hours by bus from Sanyuanqiao to Wanda Plaza this morning. (usually only 20-30 minutes tops). I don't know what happened! I was stuck for half an hour on Tuanjiehu/Chaoyang Beilu intersection and I got off the bus and walked to Wanda Plaza.

I think BJ government should adapt the ERP system!

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

I got stuck one Saturday at Xueyuan Lu and the Fourth Ring. I was stuck there for over 40 minutes. Where were people going Wu Dao Kou? Then the next week I tried the Third Ring and Xue Yuan Lu. There was no traffic at all on Xue Yuan Lu at all so why was there so much traffic? Slow drivers! if they're going to slow ticket them like the police do in other countries.

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

^ solutions, people ... not just complaints!

remember there's a bottle of wine at stake here...

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Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

admin wrote:
antfarmks5 wrote:
I think driving is great. I love driving. Cars are an essential part of civilization, and we should not limit vehicle ownership or license registration if we expect China to be a GREAT COUNTRY. The government should subsidize fuel costs and bring back the tax subsidies for owners of small-engine vehicles, which really pollute less and can fit into tighter spaces so they don't really contribute to any traffic problems. Did you know the invention of the auto-mobile corresponds with the emergence of the awesome Western military-industrial complex? It is sort of like having a gun in your pants. (That is a metaphor.) Sometimes I go home at night and put my car inside my girlfriend. Yes, I have a girlfriend! I love my car.

^^^ …yeah, that needs to change.

where's that from?

Big Grin

(p.s. PSAs and education.)

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

Cheeky question: What bus goes from Sanyuanqiao to Wanda Plaza??

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

admin wrote:
The #1 rule I would enforce is an incentive to clear the scene of minor fender-benders, which in my experience cause close to 1 out of every 3 jams in the city.

How many times have you been in a 30-minute backup, only to discover when you reach the head of the line that the cause of the backup are two a-holes whose cars brushed up against one another and have no visible damage, but the insist on leaving their cars in the precise spot the damage occurred, jabbering about whose fault it is and awaiting the arrival of some sort of adjudicator?

Here's what I'd do:

1. Mandatory collision insurance on all vehicles.

2. "No fault" insurance -- aka the damages are taken care of by insurance. However, if you are involved in any sort of fender-bender, both parties -- regardless of fault -- have points taken away on your license and an automatic RMB 500 fine. And of course your insurance premiums will go up if you are involved in an accident.

3. Mandatory immediate clearing of all non-injury traffic accidents. Anyone whose vehicles remain at the scene of the accident for any period of time will automatically lose their license for one month. Second time offenders will lose their license for a year, and third time offenders will have their testicles removed at the scene with a pair of rusty pliers.

And what about females? Double mastectomy with rusty hacksaw?

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Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

in Jakarta, during rush hours, there's a system called three-in-one. Meaning that if your car has less than 3 passengers, you will be fined.

The consequences are: people with cars stay at the office until very late, or take back streets and they become very jammed. But the main roads are good.

A friend who works in that area has to hire a driver and an ayi to be able to arrive at work on time. There are also people on the streets who give the service of helping people who drives a car with less than 2 companions. They're paid around 10 kuai per trip.

Don't know if this is adaptable in Beijing.

@Nick 718 and 671. Nearest stop to Wanda Plaza is 小庄路口东

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

yingyi wrote:
I spent 1,5 hours by bus from Sanyuanqiao to Wanda Plaza this morning. (usually only 20-30 minutes tops). I don't know what happened! I was stuck for half an hour on Tuanjiehu/Chaoyang Beilu intersection and I got off the bus and walked to Wanda Plaza.

I think BJ government should adapt the ERP system!

I know exactly how you feel. I used to have that commute. After waiting 40 minutes at that intersection behind only 3 cars I always took the subway.

Managing Web Editor

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

To change the tone slightly. This weekend I went from Yonganli over to Wudaokou. Empty second ring road, it took 20 minutes tops. Whatever was happening that day was working

Managing Web Editor

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

Admin, do you think the partial enforcement is anywhere near 10% at the moment? for all road rules?

If it was it would mean that 1 in 10 times you broke the law while driving, you would cop a fine.

In my country, enforcement is low, but just high enough that it's not worth the risk to ignore the rules.

I also never said I think it should be unevenly applied.

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

perhaps an audi only lane?

Re: Competition: Solve the traffic nightmare!!

I wholeheartedly weclome the return of the odds-and-evens restrictions that were on for the olympics.

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