Life Lessons: Through His Studies at Beijing Normal University, Tony Tope Igbekele Dreams Big


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“[I want] to do everything possible to be the best in order to give the best to humankind,” Tony Tope Igbekele states on his resume – a lofty ambition that might raise a recruiter’s eyebrow at first glance. But upon meeting and talking with the articulate 33-year-old Nigerian, you might just very well be convinced that this is a man who will achieve great things in life. Indeed, Tony already has an impressive educational and professional background, which includes a B.S. in Biochemistry and running the Students Economic Development Initiative, a social development organization he founded in 2009. Now in the final stretch of studying for a Master’s in Management of Social Policy at Beijing Normal University’s School of Social Development and Public Policy, Tony took time out of his busy schedule to share some insights on the program, life as an African student in Beijing and what he hopes to accomplish in his academic and professional career.

You have an academic background in biochemistry. How did this experience help shape your current major in social policy?
I was in a meeting about three or four days ago and a representative of the United Nations came from Latin America. And by the way of background, she did biochemistry, from biochemistry she went to another scientific field, then she went to economics and now she’s working on development. What that shows to me is that when you talk about policies, policy is in every field and to be scientific minded when you start you career could help you because it makes you think critically. 


What is the subject of your Master’s thesis?
It’s about Nigerian students in Beijing – it’s all about how they are coping and the ways that they are adapting to the environment. There was a course we had on immigration and we were talking about immigration policies, development. So from that I started thinking, what can I do? Let me look at the African students in China. That would be too big – I had to streamline it to my country. 

What else have you learned studying in the program here in China?
What I’ve discovered is that the immigration policy in China does not encourage people to live in China. When you’re coming to China you’re not expected to live long [here]. The system is not created for you to live long [here]. The system is created for them to expunge you. 

China is in a level where innovation is needed. Although the government is trying to create local national innovation so the organizations could own the patent rights. Because if you look at most countries, they are actually changing their policy. Let’s compare to Japan, Japan has a mono-cultural environment and Japan has been having problems for a long time because they did not allow foreigners to integrate into their country. And, unfortunately for them, Japanese are trying to leave the country. So if China continues that way and believes that, we have the population. [But] you just need one foreigner or one immigrant that could propel [the economy]. And unfortunately for China, [when] their nationals are doing quite well, they [tend to] leave the country after they reach the line of 100 million dollars. So the people that you’ve even been grooming locally for innovation are looking [to get] out of the country and the people that are interested in your country are being blocked [from staying]. 

Did you have an interest in Chinese culture, society or history back home?
Unfortunately, the image of China is not too good in my country. Because we see, it might not necessarily be political, it’s just about the products they bring down to my country, the products are inferior, so when you mention China back home, people think it’s cheap, so you don't really have a true measure of what China is. In my country, when you talk about Chinese or China in my country, you will say inferior. Because most of the people that they’ve brought, you discover that you are more well off than them. The products they are bringing, they are not up to standard. 

What’s one contribution you would like to make to China or one thing that you would change if you really could? You said on your resume that one of your goals is to make a difference to all of humanity. 
I think one of the things that’s heavily lacking in China is trust. I don’t think Chinese people trust themselves enough to even trust the system and enough to accommodate people. I also discovered that Chinese people don’t trust their system. I think there’s no way a country can develop if people don’t trust the system. Even though they feel that they may not trust their government, they still need to support their government. [So] If I were to change one thing I would talk about trust, trusting each other, trusting the government system. I’m not saying that you should accept everything that the government is doing, but you should try as much as possible to trust your government. [Every] time you talk to Chinese they tell you it’s cultural, but I do not think there’s anything cultural in trying not to trust you. There’s no way society can work without trust. 

I came from Africa where we have this kind of nuclear family. There are some places I could get to and be accommodated just because I’m black, or because I’m a Nigerian. I don’t know if that’s done in China, because I’m in urban China, I’m not in rural China, which I don’t know [anything about].

How do you feel as a foreigner in China, fitting in overall to society, do you accepted do you feel rejected do you feel like your floating on top of society?
[For one] I’m a black guy in China. They make me feel black, that’s how I know that I’m black. [But to quote an unknown source]: “The only way stereotypes can be reduced is when people travel.”

What about yourself, what will you do after your studies?
Actually, I’m interested in staying in China for the next three or four years because I want to see the power play and the international development. I want to be at the eye of the storm.

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1. To me the term is too vague to mean anything. If you mean "success" in general terms, like making RMB 8,000 per month, I'd say yes. If you mean "the American Dream in China", where a boy from a village in Malawi can earn a living and achieve upward social mobility in Beijing through hard work in a society with plenty of opportunities and few barriers, I'd say no. 

2. Inappropriately, in general

3. Yes. I mean people always regard the place where they grew up as home. That's irreplaceable. But there could definitely be another place in the world that makes you feel comfortable and home. I see many laowais regard China as their home, or second home, in this sense. 

Well---that's not the answer you are looking for---I know it. Here is what you want: I agree that it's hard for expats to assimilate into the Chinese society and to understand China thoroughly. China can still be pretty exclusive and elusive. It could be harder than US, Japan, Singapore or Taiwan.  

But as you live here, you know it more and more, and surely you don't need to know and approve everything to enjoy life on foreign soil.

"It takes time for people to learn to respect and appreciate people of different colors in this country. I always hear something pretty racial from my fellow countrymen and everytime I hear them I feel I really bad. " Do you think Foreigners or An African can achieve a "Chinese Dream?" How do you think Chinese people perceive blacks Patrick? Do you think a foreigner living in China can see China has home?

With God all things are possible

logicmkung wrote:

Am glad whith your open mind.also when you said they make you feel black that's when you realise you black.the Chinese government must come up whith ways of teaching Chinese people that a black person is a human being.a black person doesnt eat people.ablack person doesn't smell.they are the same blacks ruling America,also china is getting more business in African countries.this can be a big step for both Africa and china if only most Chinese people realize that an African is a human being.if you visit any African country you find Chinese people and they are respected as humans.so let it be 50/50

Can't agree more. China has always been a country with a very homogeneous population. 97% are Han people and sometimes you can't even tell Man and Hui people (major ethnic minorities) from Han people simply from their appearances. Race/ethnicity has been a much lesser issue in this country than social/political/economic issues for a long time. It takes time for people to learn to respect and appreciate people of different colors in this country. I always hear something pretty racial from my fellow countrymen and everytime I hear them I feel I really bad. 

On my first date in Beijing Sep. 2013, I was told these same thing, I remembered I was told that “we hope that at the end of your 1yr stay here your passion and drive will not change”. I will like to say this, each and every country has her own particular challenges. Living in China will of-course present her own challenges but setting goals to overcome them, make us human.

With God all things are possible

Am glad whith your open mind.also when you said they make you feel black that's when you realise you black.the Chinese government must come up whith ways of teaching Chinese people that a black person is a human being.a black person doesnt eat people.ablack person doesn't smell.they are the same blacks ruling America,also china is getting more business in African countries.this can be a big step for both Africa and china if only most Chinese people realize that an African is a human being.if you visit any African country you find Chinese people and they are respected as humans.so let it be 50/50

I can say this is a balanced interview from an intellectual who knows his onions, talking about the real perspective of an African about China and the Chinese people.

Continue to be creative and dream big, the sky is your stepping stone.

God bless you.

'Even though they feel that they may not trust their government, they still need to support their government'.

That's his advice for people who are displeased with their leadership - support it anyway?

Good luck, Tony. I hope you still have the same drive after a few years of life and work here.

Doubt wisely; in strange way / To stand inquiring right is not to stray; / To sleep, or run wrong, is. (Donne, Satire III)

You lost me at "articulate" Blum 3

All jokes aside...good interview. I like his candor and frank honesty.

I guess The Beijinger isn't a racist publication Smile (that still make me chuckle)

Keep up the good work ladies and gentlement of TBJ!